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I am glad the balance team brought some generals changes although I believe they have missed some other important elements that I believe needs fixing too

@C3Tooth said:
I dont accept that, Tiger at 12min is Allies l2p issue. You should not take our chance to learn.

Maybe share respondsibility of team game just clound your mind.OK imagine you play 1vs1 then you lose both feul the enemy build feul cache on half of the map and you do nothing to punish their investment then 8 min panzer 4 come out and you have only m5 halftruck then you yell "panzer 4 come to early!!!!"

Is this L2P or balance issue?

Everyone is talking about this and here we have a video. The first 46 seconds are a joke but then the video starts. He is a very good player, but his tactics are very simple, hold the line with mgs and Panzergrenadiers, mgs to stop the infantry and Panzergrenadiers with the Panzershrecks for the light tanks (someone had the great idea of locating them from the beginning ).

Look how they are losing and then they give it back with 4 tiger ace, many people are doing the same, where is the strategy?

Although they are winning is a disadvantage, the best games that I remember are those to start losing and then I win, today, if the axis starts winning it is IMPOSSIBLE to win it. It is already impossible or very difficult in this situation when the allies are winning.

Axis player: Pershing is abomination that USF should not even have.
Axis player: If you cant get 2 TD when Ace is coming at 12min, its Allies learn to play.

Im learning. Thats how I do double more damage result compared to the rest of other players most of the match with USF (but only if Im able to reach to late game though)

Save the excuse of "you should have at least 2 tank destroyers by that time, yikes" surely everyone will rush 2 tank destroyers against enemies that DON'T BUY MEDIUM TANKS or even light tanks.

-4 Werhmacht players spamming T0 mgs, securing one fuel no matter what and if possible both of them.
-Built 1 fuel cashe and there you go .... 4 Tiger Ace by 15 minutes to face enemy infantry and some T-70

-This mechanic is simply abussive and needs to be repaired.
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¿Do you even think it is coincidence to spot 4 Tiger Ace by 15 minutes into the game? I wonder how can 4 people aim for the same tactic at the exact same timming hmmmmmm .
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It must be Allied forces fault for not knowing that they will be facing 4 Tiger Ace by 15 minutes.

YES that must be it!

Nothing else to say

Problem

• The game is unplayable
• Allowing the Werhmacht to rush for Tiger Ace by 15 minutes is a total disgrace for gameplay
• All 4v4 or 3v3 games are Allies forces facing 4-3 Wehrmacht players abusing this

Even if your team is dominating, 4 enemy Tigers will spawn out of nowhere, as you can see there is no need for contesting Ammo if you are abusing this.

Solution
* Lock this tank unit behind more restrictions so it doesn't come extremely early into the game
* Return it to Veterancy 0, as it was designed by the Balance/Mod Team during the new Commanders development testing.

Personally I would never put any hand held anti tank weapons on any infantry other than engineers as they cant effectively fight main line Infantry anyway unless they specialize close quarters and get the drop on them.

As far as okw at ability non doctrin I wouldn't call rak usless but it is not awsome either it is kind of 50/50 at most and ya falls off later Into game penetration wise but very useful for gaining vision when moveing one forward camouflaged will at least give the other at guns a shot (useful in attacking bofor from max range without haveing to wait for puma with its extended visual range). unless you want to use a kubelwagen for its extended visual range along side the rak.

I think this is why they added the new unit with double shreck i beleive which i use alot just for that alone it bumbs up non armored at option so you can save fuel and has more pen than bazookas but perhaps equal to rak if not just slightly better I feel because if I'm not mistaken all hand held weapons even on non penetrating shots still at least do 50% of its damage now.

Idk about their tank destroyer I've never used it Ive mainly gone straight to panther but I'm not a major axis player just occasionally I like to change things up and play axis more so okw lately.

Okw vs usf are ok against american lightly armored vehicles i main usf so trust me I lose alot but mostly to either ost double shreck or 3x camouflaged rak leaving me no time to react simply because they are cheap and can be easily mass produced not needing high pen vs usf.

When I play as okw though it is a struggle vs russian and british players heavy armor without my own armor. but I understand and feel the same way likewise as an American player vs heavily armored axis tanks leaning heavily on jackson or combined arms like m20 mine and 57mm at gun hvap if the hvap will pen because it is ok vs an ost p4 gaurenteed to pen with hvap and it does bounce within reason vs okw p4 but struggles anything higher like a panther especially with vet armor bonuses plus inel bulletins even brumbar gives it a hurt or god forbid a heavy tank which I would probably need vet 3 to sometimes pen.

In general okw and usf both struggle vs heavy tanks like okw vs ISU-152 but I dont think a rak will ever pen that from the front so if you have no armor your screwed.

Although usf has nothing larger than a Jackson which struggles vs king tiger.
so it goes back to combined arms tactics to try and figure something out which is why I see alot of artillery options getting used not strictly vs static positions but vs heavy tanks hence the very popular use of both the priest and lefh.

Okw I feel only beat out usf in anti tank because of their own heavy tank options especially if they can get vision.

But okw does lack In the mid section of the game without the use of mobile armored options like the puma but even that is not going to stare down a churchill or better yet a crocodile. Puma and rak look at each other then run away...lol.

A rak though is technically a panzershek on wheels so idk they could add a % damage value based on deflection this would give it at least damage opportunities vs heavier armor to gain vet and still not going to be much of a difference vs american lightly armored tanks.

Make it a single squad like cap or lieutenant, give it 5 people, 2 lmgs and let them be called once a second truck is deployed. This way if it survives untill vet 5 OKW it will be almost unkillable by infatry but it will still be just one squad.