OKW aircraft.

#1
4 years ago

There is an issue that keeps bugging me:

The way the Stuka aircraft was recycled for the OKW army.

Historically, Stukas were utilized primarily in the east, where they stood more of a chance of surviving once the Germans lost the skies in 1944. On the western front a stuka wouldn't really stand a snowflake's chance in hell, given it;s inherent weakness against fighter aircraft.

I propose (and pray to the old gods and the new) that Relic be ever so kind as to replace the plane model used for OKW(i will add another topic in the wishlist about a new OKW Luftwaffe commander as the current one, while being good, doesn;t have the airstrike me and other like minded individuals wished for).

The ideal match would be the Focke-Wulf 190 plane. Wikipedia source: The F-series models of the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 were specifically adapted for the fighter-bomber role. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FW_190_F.jpg

We could also utilize the Me 262, which would fit in greatly with the OKW fashion of having the best late war weapons in the German arsenal(too big, too late would be the motto here). Aditional information:

Specifications (Messerschmitt Me 262 A-1a)[edit]
Orthographically projected diagram of the Messerschmitt Me 262.
Data from Quest for Performance[23] Original Messerschmitt documents[100]
General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 10.60 m (34 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 12.60 m (41 ft 6 in)
Height: 3.50 m (11 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 21.7 m² (234 ft²)
Empty weight: 3,795 kg[101] (8,366 lb)
Loaded weight: 6,473 kg[101] (14,272 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 7,130 kg[101] (15,720 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Junkers Jumo 004 B-1 turbojets, 8.8 kN (1,980 lbf) each
Aspect ratio: 7.32
Performance

Maximum speed: 900 km/h (559 mph)
Range: 1,050 km (652 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,450 m (37,565 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,200 m/min (At max weight of 7,130 kg) (3,900 ft/min)
Thrust/weight: 0.28
Armament

Guns: 4 × 30 mm MK 108 cannon (A-2a: two cannon)
Rockets: 24 × 55 mm (2.2 in) R4M rockets
Bombs: 2 × 250 kg (550 lb) bombs or 2 × 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs (A-2a variant)

Long post, I know, I hope this doesn't get ignored.

Herman Goring sends his regards!

Have a great day, everybody!

Comments

  • #2
    4 years ago
    captainjordycaptainjo… Posts: 498
    edited July 2016

    Really hope they add more aircraft commander abilities or even reskins of aircraft because although the P47 or the Stuka or the Typhoons maybe iconic, but a lot of those planes had like 1 to 2 roles and were replaced by other things later in the war.

    Planes like P51 Mustangs or even Focke-Wulfs or Me 262s. Relic just doesn't want to spend any effort just adding little miscellaneous things which is very sad.

  • #3
    4 years ago
    comrade_daelincomrade_d… Posts: 2,948
    edited July 2016

    Hardly a priority to make new models for something you almost never see in an average match.

    To be honest I'm surprised there are models of the some of the planes at all, though if only because those ones can be shot down and crash onto your stuff.

  • #4
    4 years ago
    TheWiseTheWise Posts: 63
    edited August 2016

    Pretty much like with the Soviets. Though IL-2 is a pretty good choice (its in-game implementation is rather poor, however - as for the most of the Soviet stuff), was it the only plane to attack ground in the VVS (Voyenno-Vozdushniye Sily, Soviet Air Force)? What about Pe-2 (common-and-garden diving bomber) at least, let alone the Tu-2?

  • #5
    3 years ago
    TobbacosTobbacos Posts: 34

    @captainjordy said:
    Really hope they add more aircraft commander abilities or even reskins of aircraft because although the P47 or the Stuka or the Typhoons maybe iconic, but a lot of those planes had like 1 to 2 roles and were replaced by other things later in the war.

    Planes like P51 Mustangs or even Focke-Wulfs or Me 262s. Relic just doesn't want to spend any effort just adding little miscellaneous things which is very sad.

    P51 Mustangs will be great to be add for close air support to fly and auto strike troops

  • #6
    2 years ago
    PanzerFutzPanzerFutz Melbourne, OzPosts: 346

    I know I'm late to the party but I'd still like to weigh in.

    I don't mind that the designers have tried to keep each faction simple in terms of aircraft types. Variety would be nice because there were plenty of different types used by all sides. However, from a game-play point of view, it's too much work for too little reward for the designers.

    Having said that, I do agree that the designers made a mistake with the OKW. If the designers were serious about the OKW, they would have given them jet aircraft. The OKW is clearly supposed to have the best equipment, even though the King Tiger and the Jagdtiger were used almost exclusively on the Eastern front. So, why not have the same attitude towards their aircraft?

    Hitler certainly wanted to use Me262's in a strike role (even if that was a mistake), so a loitering jet strafe isn't unreasonable. Having an Arado Blitz instead of a Stuka for bombing runs also makes sense. Both of these types were actually used in these roles within the time-frame of the game so, it's not just a hypothetical exercise.

    Aside from differentiating the OKW from the Wehrmacht faction, one reason I'd like to see them use jets is so they can't be shot down. WW2 era anti-aircraft guns traversed too slowly to track a low-flying jet. The OKW would only have a small number of airstrike options and airstrikes cost a lot of munitions but, making them unstoppable would balance that out.

  • #7
    2 years ago
    Lord RommelLord Romm… Posts: 60
    edited July 2018

    The OKW is clearly supposed to have the best equipment, even though the King Tiger and the Jagdtiger were used almost exclusively on the Eastern front.

    Sorry. That is not correct. King Tigers were used at the western and the eastern front. E.g. units like the 506. sHeeresPzAbteilung fought against the british 1st Airborne Division in Oosterbeek during Operation Market Garden. PzAbtl 506 and other Tiger II units (SS heavy tank units) fought during Operation Wacht am Rhein (the battle of the bulge) against the US forces. U can find King Tiger already at the D-Day. Panzer-Lehr-Division had 3 King Tigers (attached King Tigers from the 316. Funklenkabteilung (radio control special unit)). Furthermore the 503. sHeeresPzAbtl had started to receive King Tigers. One company was already fully equipped with King Tigers during the Normandy battles.
    Same story for the Jagdtiger. A small number fought against the Red Army (3 Jagdtiger assault guns fought from Seelow to Berlin. They were part of the Panzer-Division Müncheberg. An unknown number of Jagdtiger assault guns fought in Vienna). Most of the Jagdtigers fought at the western front. They were part of the 512th Heavy Panzerjäger Battalion and 653rd Heavy Panzerjäger Battalion (512. und 653. schwere HeeresJgPzAbteilung). They were used during Operation Nordwind, counterattacks against the captured Siegfried line and during the battle of the Ruhr pocket (E.g. Tank battle at Unna). So all in all the Jagdtiger was used for the most parts in the west only.

    For the Ju87;
    Well. Against all the myths the Ju87 fought at the western front till the end. Sure, the role of the Ju87 has changed. It was removed from the daylight support units. Most of the Ju87 Stukas were flown by the soviet inspired night harassment bomber units. In 1942~43 the Luftwaffe had formed so called "Nachtschlachtgruppen". Those bomber units were trained for night bombing missions. They operated like the soviet Po-2/U-2 night harassment units. Nachtschlachtgruppe 1 and 2 (NSGr 1 and 2) fought in central in southern germany during the last months. It was such a night bomber unit that attacked the bridge at Remagen with Stukas during a night raid. Other night bomber units fought during the battle of the bulge or during Operation Nordwind.
    So u can find Ju87 at the western front from the first day till the last day of the european front.

    So this is no argument for a new aircraft ;)

  • #8
    2 years ago
    PanzerFutzPanzerFutz Melbourne, OzPosts: 346
    edited July 2018

    I stand corrected. Thanks for the history lesson. I enjoy filling the gaps in my knowledge and, with a subject as broad as World War 2, there are always plenty of gaps.

    As for the Ju-87, night bombing isn't really a part of the game. However, my point was just that it would have been nice to see some jets in the game. The OKW seems the logical choice for their employment and there's no real problem from a historical accuracy POV.

  • #9
    2 years ago
    Lord RommelLord Romm… Posts: 60
    edited July 2018

    Sure. There are no night maps in CoH2 (at the moment) but i think Relic had tried to minimize the amount of work (and new models). I know from Quinn Duffy that Relic had bought a lot of books for the American Offensive campaign. So they try to get as much history as possible in the game. I think when they saw that they could reuse the good old Ju 87 they dont hesitated.
    Perhaps we will see a 3d model import tools for CoH2 some day but at the moment i cant see any chance for any new unit at all (and we are all waiting for the Jagdpanther or the Flak 88, right ;)).

  • #10
    2 years ago
    PanzerFutzPanzerFutz Melbourne, OzPosts: 346

    "we are all waiting for the Jagdpanther or the Flak 88". Absolutely!

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