[Axis-all] Stun nade stun length inc

moremega

Hi community, due to recent dmg nerf of stun nades I propose incr the stun length to compensate. Currently, the aprox. 1 sec stun is useless in tactical situations, and I feel that a longer stun would make more sense because this is the grenade's sole purpose, but what do you guys think?

gydh56

THat would be great. Stun nades are worthless now since 1 sec doesn't do much in coh2.

thedarkar…

longer stun is not ideal... adding a small rec acc debuff could be nice but anything that takes control away from the player is a big deal.

SkysTheLi…

Maybe forced retreats (after the stun) if ALL of the models in the enemy squad are in the stun radius? As dark said, taking control from the player can be a problem. I think forced retreats are the only way you can fairly do that cause it least it prevents a cheesy wipe.

Widerstre…

Maybe +3 sec some accuracy nef and larger targedsice. So it improves the offensive character of the grenade.

Xloss

I think stun grenade should prevent retreat during its duration plus Receive Accuracy debuff with the duration of 1.5 to 2 seconds.

SkysTheLi…

@Xloss that would be crazy overpowered. Preventing retreats is not a good idea under any circumstances

Vipper

Actually lowering the DPS of the effected unit would be a much better debuff.

SquishyMu…

I like @Vipper 's idea. At the moment I wonder if it's even worth throwing (limiting your own dps for that split throwing animation second).

Widerstre…

@SquishyMuffin Unless I wrote the same thing one day before Vipper, yes, it would be a good idea.

SquishyMu…

@Widerstreit said:
@SquishyMuffin Unless I wrote the same thing one day before Vipper, yes, it would be a good idea.

Lol I only skimmed through briefly. But yes, you both are very clever boys!

thedarkar…

I said it too!

SkysTheLi…

@thedarkarmadillo You said rec acc debuff, i think @Vipper went for dps reduction. @Widerstreit went for a combination of the two, just to clear that up lol

I think you could do a 50% debuff of one, or maybe 25% of each if you take the double route. Then increase the duration

thedarkar…

Oops. Must have been a different discussion then. But yea I'm all up for both!

Lazarus

I think a DPS debuff would work better. It would stop close up squads from chewing through Grens, while not risking the near instant wipe that comes with rec acc penalties at that range, while still allowing Grens time to tip the fight in their favor, but also allows durable squads to tough it out and eat the punishment if they can get away with it.

But for the love of God whatever we do, make sure it can't be bugged to be a permanent debuff and test it *once*

Hingie

@Lazarus said:
But for the love of God whatever we do, make sure it can't be bugged to be a permanent debuff and test it once

Nonsense. A permanent, stackable debuff is the least the grenade should do! Eventually, if you stack it high enough the enemies accuracy would become a negative value and its shots would start healing your squad. Sounds like the only reasonable option to me.

thedarkar…

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> But for the love of God whatever we do, make sure it can't be bugged to be a permanent debuff and test it once
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> Nonsense. A permanent, stackable debuff is the least the grenade should do! Eventually, if you stack it high enough the enemies accuracy would become a negative value and its shots would start healing your squad. Sounds like the only reasonable option to me.

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