GCS2 - Wehr armor needs a revamp

#1
8 months ago
mrgame2mrgame2 Posts: 496
edited September 2018 in General Discussion

This famous game (skip to game 2) between Luvnest and Talisman, two of the best players, shows Wehr tanks cost more than Soviet, yet both performed similar.

Both of them have the same pop cap, BUT

Talisman got 1 extra T34/76, and 1 superior SU85 to Stug. Will building Panther help? I dont think so.

In the infantry combat, the 6 man soviet squads push back grens easily and are enough to grind out the MG suppression. I can feel Luvnest frustration of not able to counter the Soviet, cant kill the tanks, cant hold the points long enough.

Comments

  • #2
    8 months ago
    pablonanopablonano YesterdayPosts: 2,549

    Panzergrenadiers would have probably done the thing.

  • #3
    8 months ago
    mrgame2mrgame2 Posts: 496

    Panzergren shrek may help ward off incoming T34 but it is no good if you cant hold the points.
    Guards rifles will snipe panzergren from far.

    The old Panther may help for an aggressive push, but right now SU85 just pen it like nothing.

    I am facing this same issue of Allies just turtling down once they build up enough med tanks and infantry. Once you have vet 3 infantry with long range MG, nothing Wehr can do since tanks are a wash now.

  • #4
    8 months ago
    pablonanopablonano YesterdayPosts: 2,549

    Then you should use more Jager Armor doctrine, build enough pz4/stugs3 and then wait for the elephant, you will negate their armor with the large rangue that the elephant has while warding off flanks with your other tanks both thanks to recon flights and spotting scopes.

    Also i would recomend to use pzgrenadiers un-upgraded on this situation as this ones can force enemy units no not get closer while you can both use mortars or grenadiers to face long range threats.

  • #5
    8 months ago
    mrgame2mrgame2 Posts: 496
    edited September 2018
    Luvnest is one of the best around, im sure he knows the right units composition. He had 3 p4 at one point. Besides super heavy like elefant only make sense for 4v4 after the nerfs.

    For a moment in game 2, he seems to have broken through and win, but allies cheaper faster tanks, allowed the Soviet to churn out t34 faster before he could repair his p4. The sturmovik is also over performing compared to axis stuka version.

    You can see axis is already mp starved by their tanks, making a few squads of pgren for infantry duties wont work against guards.

    The old panther with a bit more armor could dive in and turn the tide, but this is real proof wehr is weak in both AI and AT at the highest level.

    Axis has no chance going in the late games now. Vetted up TD, infantry snares just negate any push, while vetted 5-6 man infantry squads make capping a breeze.

    Ironic since the balance patches all wanted to tone down axis late game armor to balance the matches.
  • #6
    8 months ago
    pablonanopablonano YesterdayPosts: 2,549

    To be fair the only thing that is the problem is not axis or allied armor, but infantry snares completely negating armor pushes from both sides since its a death wish, rendering the game to stalemates where the one outranging and playing to attrition ends winning. But in other any case imo axis would be slighly over the allies lately specially OKW.

  • #7
    8 months ago

    " yet both performed similar." what are you talking about, guys, are you kidding? Axis tanks are strong enough. it is quite difficult to handle with them, take a look at game between HelpingHans vs Jesulin ) never say like this!!!!!!!!!!

  • #8
    8 months ago
    newshatterhandnewshatte… Posts: 278
    edited October 2018

    Its not so much the tanks that are a problem for Luvnest here I think. It is more that Talisman has way better anti infantry. In the battle with su85, luvnest has only 2 grens and an mg against 4 elitish soviet squads with support of loitering aircraft, this pushes away and kills the pak guns which allows talisman to move in with his superior tank force. Had luvnest had more infantery he could have kept the ground and used his at guns to repel the soviet attack. Also if the fights had happened later he would have had enough muni for stuka AT support which in combination with the paks and p4s would definitely given him an opportunity to do good damage to the soviet tanks and probabily kill 1-2 of them. Imo the tanks in the game are quite well balanced at the moment.

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