Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback

#1
1 week ago
JohnT_REJohnT_RE CanadaPosts: 19 admin

Please post all feedback from the Commander Update beta for the British faction here.

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  • #2
    1 week ago
    yunusozgulyunusozgul Posts: 13

    Strafing Support
    The ability itself is actually quite useful against opponents that don't have any anti-air unit on the battlefield. Yet, the plane that only attacks the enemy vehicles misses many rockets, which doesn't reflect its actual performance. Not only there are vulnerable to anti-air but also there's just one plane that prioritizes the vehicles, so it should be more effective against them to reflect its cost.

    Infiltration Commandos
    It costs 320 Manpower to deploy these elite infiltration units from ambient buildings. It also costs *320 Manpower** them from the base. It doesn't matter whether you decide to deploy them behind the enemy lines or not. They'll arrive as a 3-person squad in any case. The actual thing is that it costs 75 Manpower to reinforce them. Why does it require to be reinforced even when called from the base? I'm of the opinion that these units should arrive on the battlefield as a 4-person squad at all events. However, the maximum number of soldiers in the squad will remain 4 just like Stormtroopers and Partisans.

  • #3
    1 week ago

    The comet received a good nerf with its cost increased to match a Panther. Altough its ability to counter infantry is bad compared to the Panthers MG-upgrade. The MG damages infantry a lot. I would like to see a buff to the comets main gun against infantry, to be usefull against Panzergrenadier spam with Panzerschreck or similar. Probably an increase of AOE damage would do enough.

    The nerf for Improved Fortifications is a bad idea. It is really easy right now to kill the emplacements with very accurate mortar and LeFH barrages, which also kills the repairing squads fairly easy. Compared to Axis fortifications which are much cheaper and cost-effective i do not think the suggested changes make any sense. The QF 17 Pounder needs a buff to be more in line with the Pak43. It can only fire through buildings with munitions cost and is completely lost, when the fortification is destroyed, while its also much larger than the Pak 43 and therefore easy to hit. Remove the ability to fire through buildings at all, which would make sense. Or if not, at least make it the same for the QF 17 pounder. Make it recrewable like the Pak43, or remove Pak43 recrew ability.

    I suggest an improve of the late-game durability of Assault Sections. Early game they are an interesting option, but late game they stand no chance against short and medium range experienced axis units.

    The changes to the Special Weapons Regiment seem fairly good to encourage its use.

    The Field Recovery Operation needs better infantry. While OKW can use Volksgrenadiers to salvage vehicles and decrewd weapons very fast, the Royal Engineers are the only ones to use the ability, while being very vulnerable and not cost-effective in comparison.

    Commandos need to be a 4 men squad no matter where you deploy them, otherwise there are usless to be deployed behind enemy lines and do their main purpose, which was disrupting enemy supply lines and destroying important Axis emplacements.

  • #4
    1 week ago
    Aiborne82Aiborne82 Posts: 21

    The nerf to improved fortifications make that commander useless now. They are incredibly easy to destroy as it is since the action factions get nondoctrinal artillery and every other asset available to them without even choosing a commander. IT also currently has No key description

  • #5
    1 week ago
    VipperVipper Posts: 3,747
    edited April 4

    British

    Air Resupply Operation

    The ability offer too much for cost 100/75:
    3 medic kit = 30 munition for Ostheer
    ATG = 125/60 for USF
    Mortar = (lets say same cost for HMG) 125/50
    Sprint in out combat
    +50 Reinforcement speed
    on the other hand it comes rather late.

    Suggestions:
    Either change to 1 medic 1 mortar and lower CP to 2 price to 125/40
    or
    move make Forward assembly able to drop the item separately

    Assault

    Suggestions:
    Extend the ability to include Ro. Engineer
    Remove recon planes or limit to 1

    Churchill Crocodile
    Suggestions:
    Remove flare
    Trade durability for damage output
    Does not benefit WAR speed
    increase EFH to 1200 buy adding damage reduction modifier
    DOT flamer move to ability instead of always on

    Commandos
    Increasing the overlap glider and FL glider is a step in the wrong direction.
    Suggestions:
    Consider changing the command types. FLG for instance could provide AT commandos with 5 rifles and 2 Piats they can put away or Thompson command durably mid oriented with no camo.

    Concentrated Fire Operation
    Heavy call in like Croc Churchill and "delete emplacement" abilities combo should be avoided. For instance it makes Pak43 useless against Croc.

    Forward HQ
    The ability comes way to late and it would be more useful if available earlier.

    Suggestions:
    CP 1-2 can convert ambient building increasing sight by 10 allowing reinforce.
    Can call in medic kit
    Can call in flares
    Can call base barrage similar FA at extended range
    health of building to set level 75-100%

    Similar bonus upgrade available for FA

    If there is need for stronger Off map that can be locked behind Hammer/Anvil or require further tech

    Hold the Line
    Ability has limitation in use/is confusing as to what is front-line sector and can be countered by decaping
    Improve usability.

    Suggestions:
    Now target a single sector
    Cost to 120
    now does cancel even if the sector is capped
    (similar change should apply to other abilities like perimeter overwatch, sector artillery)

    Improved Fortifications
    the idea is not bad but very hard to implement and imo other solution should be implemented. Focus this ability in making emplacements more cost efficient.

    Suggestions:
    upgrade now reduced pop cost by 2
    gives garrison bonus
    includes advances assembly to free a spot
    increases the duration of brace or decreases CD

    If there is a need for counter fire now can call in barrage similar to the one in FA with extended range

    M3 Resupply Halftrack
    The recent change have made Tank hunter less desirable.

    Suggestions:
    Scraping tank hunter and replacing piat with Boy in HT freeing 1 commander slot possibly for "Artillery Cover" or some other off map

    Raid Section
    Unit is too good and need changes.

    Suggestions:
    Now comes with 5 rifles using VG/Grenadier power level depending on received accuracy modifiers
    Cap bonus reduces to 1.15 being able to sprint and cap faster is too much
    Unit now has "fire and maneuver" training allowing them to fire Brens on the move. (bren can use a different having same DPS long range as rifles and better mid/close)
    Unit can not build sandbag/cashes
    unit keep grenade but not sprint
    Vet 1 camo removed

    Recovery Sappers

    Suggestions:
    Ability allow to build Royal sapper from HQ (CP 0 call-in should be avoided since it map depended)
    Unit has savage, smoke grenades and come with 5 rifles. Repair speed replaced by 20% repair speed to emplacement plus no damage penalty when repairing.

    Moved to "Advanced Emplacement Regiment" replacing "Defensive Operations".
    This should solve repairing issue for the commander.

    Tank Hunter Infantry Section
    great to see vet suited for unit role, would rather see unit scraped or replaced with an AT sapper squad that would have added utility.

    Vickers K Light Machien Gun
    The idea of making Bren and vicker offer different things is good the implementation not great.

    Suggestions:
    If one want to go for LMG/Assault rifle design one should probable make Vicker K the lmg and Bren the assault rifle.
    In addition the LMG should be limited to 1 taking both weapon slots and even consider making bolster take one slot so that LMG is only available to 4 men squad.

    It should also remove the VK from heavy sappers and lower price of the upgrade or even make it free.

    There is another solution, VK could provide a unique ability to the squad. For instance squad with VK can not now use an suppression ability affecting a single squad when in garrison.

  • #6
    1 week ago
    VipperVipper Posts: 3,747
    edited April 4

    Advanced Assembly

    Auto repair for emplacements is part or the problem

    Suggestions:
    Ability merged with Improved Fortification or move to Engineer commander
    Now a separate building instead on upgrade
    Now only repair vehicles

    Air Supremacy Operation

    Suggestions:

    Anti-Building Flame Mortar Support

    Suggestions:

    Assault Section

    Suggestions:
    lower reinforcement cost
    fix base/vet bonus so that the unit is more durable early
    Replace WP grenades with the old commando grenades that provide RA bonus add a small suppression resistance

    Concentration Barrage

    Ability is too cheap spammable.

    Suggestions:
    Ability replaced by counter barrage. Counter barrage now only target mortar and Leig.

    Defensive Operations

    Suggestions:
    Ability removed Replace by special engineers with increase repair speed for structures, no repair damage penalties and 5 rifles.

    Designate Command Vehicle

    Suggestions:
    Replace with a command Valentine.
    Aura now split to timed and always on

    Early Warning

    Suggestions:
    ability now target one friendly sector (or a front-line sector ) CD greatly increased.

    Infiltration Commandos

    Unit does not really

    Suggestions:
    ability replaced by an off map (mortar cover?)

    M10 Achilles

    Designed for "flaking" "kiting" game play. See you suggestions

    M2 Flamethrower

    Replaced by assault sapper.

    Suggestions:
    Using Flamer IS assets a durable Engineer unit that can use flamers, armed with rifles.

    M5 Halftrack

    Suggestions:

    Mortar Cover

    a rather weak ability
    Suggestions:
    CP to 6-7 cost to 100

    Perimeter Overwatch

    A powerful ability
    Suggestions:
    now target a single sector
    no longer stop when sector is decaped
    cost to 120
    CP to 7-8
    now moved to Advanced Emplacement Regiment

    Precision Barrage

    Suggestions:

    Sexton

    Suggestions:
    No longer benefits from war speed

    Strafing Support

    Suggestions:

    Valentine

    SPG commander should not have a cheap tank available

    Suggestions:
    Replaces command vehicle ability,
    Also available with out command for mobile assault
    Lower penetration values
    Remove shared veterancy
    fix base stat/vet bonuses vet 3 size too small and unit too mobile
    Victor artillery can be move to Assault officer or a "new" artillery officer similar to the Ostheer one.

    Vehicle Crew Repairs

    Suggestions:

  • #7
    1 week ago
    VipperVipper Posts: 3,747

    Changes to commander line up:

    Advanced Emplacement Regiment

    Defensive Operations ---> Replaced by Royal Sapper (emplacement repair expert)
    Improved Fortification
    Advanced Assembly---> Replaced by M1 Mortar
    Counter Barrage--->Replaced by Perimeter overwatch
    Precision Barrage-->hold the line or man the defenses

    Royal Sapper solve the repair issue

    Improve fortification make emplacement more cost efficient with lower pop and garrison bonus

    M1 Mortar allow to fire back at mortars/Leig
    (Specially designed mortar with inferior autofire/barrage but vet 1 counter barrage possible an ability firing a single incendiary round )

    Overwatch/hold the line help defend vs pushes

    Man the defense could work similar to hold the line but provide defensive bonus to emplacements and garrisoned troops

    Commando Regiment

    Commando Glider Insertion
    Smoke Raid Operation
    Assault
    Mortar Cover
    Air Supremacy Operation

    Lend Lease Assault Regiment

    Assault Section
    M1 Mortar Team
    M5 Halftrack
    M10 Achilles
    Vehicle Crew Repairsreplaced by Precision Barrage

    A "static emplacement killer" might make the commander more popular in large modes

    Mobile Assault Regiment

    M2 Flamethrower---> Mortar Cover
    Advanced Cover Combat---> replaced by Raid IS
    Infiltration Commandos---> replaced by valentine
    Vehicle Crew Repairs
    Land Mattress

    Inf Commandos are not that great over lap with Raid IS
    Valentine will help easier access to Land mattress
    A light off map to complete the commander

    Royal Artillery Regiment

    Early Warning
    Concentration Barrage--->replaced by counter barrage as an normal ability without the disable of production
    Valentine--->replaced by artillery officer or victor ability or bonus to mortar pits
    Sexton
    Perimeter Overwatchreplaced by Concentrated Fire Operation now an area denial ability similar to old 240mm

    Commander can defend vs enemy mortar/leig.

    Royal Engineer Regiment

    M2 Flamethrower--->replaced by either by demolition/flamer engineers or by repair assembly
    Designate Command Vehicle--->replaced valentine command vehicle
    Vehicle Crew Repairs---> by hold the line/man the defenses
    Anti-Building Flame Mortar Support
    Churchill AVRE

    Special Weapons Regiment

    Tank Hunter Infantry Section--->replaced M1 mortar similar to USF
    Resupply Halftrack
    Hold The Line
    Concentrated Fire Operation--->Replaced by "combined arms"
    Churchill Crocodile--->Command Churchill vehicle with an timed infatry Aura.

    Tactical Support Regiment

    Field Recovery Sappers--->replaced by Artillery cover
    Designate Command Vehicle---> replaced valentine command vehicle
    Air Resupply Operation
    Forward Observation Post
    Churchill Crocodile

    Vanguard Operations Regiment

    Raid Operation
    Forward Logistics Glider
    Vehicle Crew Repairs
    Churchill Crocodile
    Strafing Support

  • #8
    1 week ago
    Arcturus64Arcturus64 Posts: 5

    Raid sections have no "Hold fire" Stance despite being able to hide, a button to toggle hold fire would be nice.

  • #9
    6 days ago
    KiethSomataw99KiethSoma… Posts: 100

    I've asked for this suggestion for the British before and I'll request it again:

    AEC Armored Car and Bofors Emplacement Unlocks:
    Make it so if you choose one, the other option will be locked until you build your company command post. Players would be left having to consider either early-mid game improved harassment or improved defenses. Mid-Late game, they become more flexible.
    What would you all think of this suggestion? Being as it is a compromise between pre and post patch.

  • #10
    3 days ago
    StrategosStrategos Posts: 6

    I think it's important that it is the public what kind of player you are, i.e. team games or 1v1, whether you play a lot or not. Otherwise one would not recognize the writer's motives. To me, I haven't actively played 1v1 for a good 1 year. But follow the tournaments and often watch 1v1 games in spectator mode, I know the current metas. In my day I was top 100 with all factions. I still play team games with friends from time to time (4v4) so ​​we're around the top 50. In addition, one should express my thanks to the people from the community who update, patch and balance the game. Since they are not paid for it and they sacrifice free time for it, one should not forget that. Hope my English is not too bad:)

    Advanced Emplacements
    I see this doctrine as a contradiction to an RTS like COH but it does exist and I am satisfied with the changes.

    Lend-Lease
    Active Damage Ability goes well with the doctrine along with my M10 proposed change. The M10 should be a rush tank, that means it has hardly any penetration at long range but high damage output. The M10 already has a good standard speed and the ability to do so. The damage should be around 240 (KT damage). However, since the penetration should be so small, it has to come to the side or very close in order to cause damage. So that the tank is not spammed in team games you have to increase the cost to 100 fuel and the popcap to 12 (Guideline). In addition, the tank should have 400 hit points (T70, go down with 3 shoots).

    Air Resupply Operation
    More flexebility more variations of playstyle.Nice.

    Assault
    Compared to the other ability (Radio Silence, Valiant Assault, For the Motherland), the buffs are good and the ability is not too expensive.

    Assault Section
    Yeah why not.

    Churchill Crocodile
    In line with all other heavys.

    Commandos
    The changes are acceptable.

    Concentrated Fire Operation
    slow but strong offmap that you have to react to

    Forward HQ
    Yeah why not.

    Hold the Line
    The changes are good and the cost should be okay too.

    Improved Fortifications
    Not too weak and not too strong.

    Land Mattress
    Nice too see a slightly mun cost reduce.

    M3 Resupply Halftrack
    Nice to see that it is no longer possible for teammates to get the weapons, the remaining changes are good.

    Raid Section
    The raid sections are strong but that comes at the price of not being able to spend a heal. In general, the doctrine is very offensive which is very good because the British are more defensive. This enables another way of playing. It is quite possible that you only build 2 engis plus vickers / carriers and then call 3 raid sections. With this you skip the 5 man upgrade and the weapon slots and can tech up what can be extremely powerful. But since you don't have a heal you either have to build a medic or a command post with and spend a heal there, which is a bit more balanced again. So that you don't cap off the whole map, I would take out the faster cap rate, since the Pios already have this. In addition, a moderate call in timer cooldown of 1 min.

    Recovery Sappers
    More flexebility more variations of playstyle.Nice.

    Tank Hunter Infantry Section
    That seems nice.

    Vanguard Loiter
    The changes are good and you should get something back if you invest in ammunition.

    Vickers K Light Machien Gun
    Strong Weapon but i think in good spoot. But the weapon should need 2 slots so that it is no longer possible to equip 2 Vickers K.

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