[MAP CONTEST] Counterattack at Aachen Feedback Thread

#1
1 year ago
Kyle_REKyle_RE Posts: 483 admin

This thread is for all feedback related to the map "Counterattack at Aachen" as part of Relic's 2v2 Map Making Contest. This map has made by a member of the community and they would LOVE of your feedback to help them iterate on and improve their map before the next submission deadline of the contest.

To subscribe to this and all contest maps, check out the 2v2 Map Making Contest Collection on the Steam Workshop.

Comments

  • #2
    1 year ago

    ROUND #1 REVIEW
    GOOD:
    1. Cool water effects. Nice look over all.
    2. Great minimap.
    3. The load screen looks familiar somehow. Something about it.

    BAD:
    1. A lot of hill areas. May cause ground shots, questionable pathing issues, etc.
    2. Some point placements are broken. The actual point is too far to the outside of the capture area. The AI may not be able take the points. I have seen kubels have issues on this map.
    3. The river is located mostly on the left side of the map. This may not be an issue since there is a mirroring red cover road. High level players will need to make this call.
    4. Are there multiple water sources that may lag the game? The water may wrap around the outside of the OOB area and only be one source for the lower level. But there could possibly be three water sources right near each other.

    POSSIBLE CHANGES:
    1. The hedgerow left of the middle bridge makes a very tight path for vehicles to get thru. Could remove 1 or 2 of the hedge objects to open it up.
    2. The middle victory point second up from the south is right in the mouth of a wall opening. This is awkward for light vehicles to get thru.
    3. Base defenses could be a little better. It is possible to attack buildings without being seen by the MG bunkers.

    SCORE:
    8/10 - The few nagging items drag this map to a 9. The hills and water make me want to deduct another point. I am fearful of many vetoes after someone loses a game because their tank or AT gun will only shoot those poor worms located in the elevation changes. I am also Pro-Worm and am eager to protect their way of life :p This should easily be a 9 after some changes.

  • #3
    1 year ago
    Andy_REAndy_RE Posts: 250 admin

    RELIC FEEDBACK - Please seek additional feedback from the community.

    This map has an interesting design and is very well presented.

    The design choice to have many capture points on this map in negative cover is interesting. We would recommend seeking feedback from the community on this.

    Indirect fire weapons can attain a lot of critical point coverage on this map. However, there do seem to be a number of flanking options so we don't think this is an issue.

    A small point. The Northern VP and Southern VP seem to slightly favor the West and East spawns respectively. This is fine, but it seems the Southern VP is slightly easier to defend than the Northern VP due to green cover position and LOS from this cover

  • #4
    1 year ago
    AustherusAustherus Posts: 9
    edited October 2017

    I like the environment a lot on this one, the river feels like it belongs there and makes the map seen less mirrored than one would expect while playing on it.

    I had some trouble with the trees on the southern part of the river, mostly around the paths that cross the river, but it's a pretty minor issue. Cover and buildings were enough while line of sight is good without being too open.

    No other issues found really, it's a well polished map that does what it's supposed to do.

  • #5
    1 year ago
    DuellyDuelly Posts: 1

    Hey
    I really like your map.

    I found a bug.
    In the image you can see that one of the base bunkers is outside of the playable area.
    I hope you can fix that

    Thank you for your good work

  • #6
    1 year ago
    HardyStyledHardyStyl… MoscowPosts: 24

    Overall map balance
    Bretty much big map with a lot of open spaces and negative cover. Looks almost balanced for both spawns.

    Cover balance/design
    Interesting design, contested points (along the rails and near them) have mostly negative cover with few green cover objects on it, will give huge advantage for any kind of mg, making blobing very useless. Mid late game this roads can be used to be covered with mg bunkers or emplacement making its nearly impossible to front attack. Like it.

    Balance of garisonable buildings
    Very good decision with middle garisons and making them almost destroyed, on other hand, north and south garisons are full hp but they can't be abused with forward soviet base for example, since it will not give advantage because of there position, like it.

    VP and resource balance/design
    It looks like that north fuel is a bit closer to middle VP then south one, also south fuel can be covered with in green cover on the left, there is almost no cover during capture comparing to north fuel that have both green covers on point and nearby so contesting can be a bit easier. But can't say for sure since can be countered with snipers, mortars, smokes and other things.
    North and south VPs are ok, such things as bofors VP can be countered without much problem, on other hand, looks like middle VP can be abused with OKW T3 or bofors builded in fuels sector so it will cover both one of the fuels and VP and for left spawn it looks to be harder to destroy it without artyllery because of vision blocking with bushes. Hard but not impossible, lifter terrain on VPs can help to such things as mortars from being rushed to damage this T3 or bunker or emplacement.

    Visuals
    Looks good, especially river, but roads looks to clean, maybe sprites from explosions will help it look more suffered from war. One problem is only with strange white squares on the terrain near north/south VPs.

    Readability/lighting
    Everything ok.

    Cutoff design
    There is no obvious cutoffs on this map, since most fight will be on center of the map so fuel points will be contested often. So you can't cutoff most of the resource with capturing just one point. Looks interesting and fresh.

    Infantry and vehicle pathing
    Feels great. Didn't find any issues.

    Line of sight
    Same as pathing.

    Combat feel/flow
    Map feels great with all playstyles. As it was said before most of the fights are on a center of the map. It can be agressive early game with snipers and m3s, can be defensive with mgs, bunkers and emplacements, midgame can be used to flank attacks or sneak partisans decapping. Late game great for all kind of late game tanks aka KT, Sturmtiger, Jagdtiger, ISU and IS.

    General polish
    Get rid of strange squares I told about, also base bunker placement bug. A bit more thinking about north or south fuel cover design so it will be a bit mor balanced, and some thinking about OKW T3 that can cover both VP and fuel fact, can't say solution for this at the moment.

    Overall map feel
    One of the favourites in my opinion, feels fresh and new. Would give that 9/10 and it could be 10/10 after some fixes.

  • #7
    1 year ago

    An overall great looking map with a sweet waterfall to boot!
    However I think there are a few places that could be improved. First of all, player 1's machine gun emplacement on the upper left corner of the map is incorrectly placed out of map, which makes it unkillable and unusable, it will not attack any incoming enemies which makes player 1 more susceptible to early harassments.
    Both ammo points don't seem to be perfectly balanced to their respective teams, Player 1,2's ammo point is located significantly closer to the frontlines than Player 3,4's, which may pose some balancing issues even if it's small. The territory outline is directly on the waterfall, which makes the water look abit weird(like glass or crystal :D)

    Other than that, it's an awesome looking and very neatly polished and balanced map to play on!

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