[UKF/ALL] Valentine
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2 years ago
Xloss
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I've been using this tank for quite a while now.
This tank got a lot of cons.
You cant even use this to kill or repel a squad.
Pro.
1. OKW like Map hack
Cons
1. Poor accuracy
2. Low damage for a 75mm Gun
3. Turret Mg so weak.
4. Low Sight vision
5. Almost same price tag as T34 for a very low quality tank Price: 300/80
6. Out performed by T70 in anti-infantry, movement speed, Rate of fire and scouting
Comments
Swapping Vet abilities is a good idea too. Its really hard to vet this tank coz it miss a lot of shot even not moving.
That would be awesome. Every game i will lose at least 6 valentine coz it does not kill the target fast enough to avoid being killed.
Tested Valentine vs Puma, Valentine lose even having 75mm gun.
Why wouldn't it lose?
It has 50% longer reload, puma has 50% more damage and 20% lower range.
It clearly needs a buff of some sort of course. But I'd just like to urge caution in not going too far. It's in a commander that'll most likely get buffed in general anyway, and it's a call in.
And a kinda unwritten rule these days with call ins in the mid game is that it shouldn't be better than teching, only supplement.
For its price at least in my OPINION valentine should and could 1v1 Puma and RNG and micro will decide who will win just like Stuart light tank.
Or maybe change its main gun to anti infantry gun and just like other light tank it can hunt down sniper.
While it should not be able to beat Panzer 4 without any support.
Valentines durability is equal to that of Puma.
The only instance where armor matters for either of them is when they are up against HMG42 incendiary rounds.
Inb4 "but ketetuff, muh pema ermer iz lou zo smell arms kan dimig eet!" - yes, but if you are losing pumas to small arms other then AP on HMGs after you got snared near it, you've got bigger problem on your part to fix.
I see you finally gave up the act and started writing in accordance to your intellectual abilities. Good for you!
Or you could be an adult and realize that if you are chasing a Puma with a T-70 to finish it off, the armor makes a tremendous difference than if you were chasing a Valentine with a Luchs to finish it off. After all, you're mr objective, so a blatant, indisputable, irrefutable, immutable, universal objective fact like Valentine durability > Puma durability wouldn't be at all contentious unless you had some kind of agenda
Because armored CAR with a gun that can kill tanks (Puma) versus a light TANK **with a **big gun same with all regular Medium tank should and could atleast tow to tow an armored CAR.
They got different abilities and role but that does not mean one of them should be crap.
Puma is very fast can escape mediums or kill it PLUS kill sniper with hull MG.
Valentine dies versus Sturm pioneer with upgraded Shrzks.
You cant even vet it up to one star to make use of its arty.
I've been trying to vet valentine many times now when i get it Panzer 4 just face dive it.
Lets face it, I don't even know how to vet a CP 6 Call in light tank.
Kill infantry? it will die coz its missed a lot and if it hit the damage is so meh
Kill Light vehicle? Can't even chase a fkn gren thats retreating how much more light vehicles.
Tanks? do we need to discuss this?
Tank destroyer? Like duh!!!
Support weapons? Like what? you really need to face dive a wall of PAK40/Raketen with Grens/vGrens?
What i did in my previous match is kill Muni/fuel Cache. And man!!!!!!!!!!!
Damage is so weak i can even get a bottled milk in a 30mins drive Mall.
I forgot to mention one.
Can it kill armored cars? Yes it CANT!
Anything to make the likes of you understand.
And I do not want to be wearing SS uniform and standing on Maus each time just to get your kind to listen with attention.
Set spotting scope passive as vet1 (IR is buggy and frequently perma-reveals squads on the minimap), arty target as stock. Mirror the gun to the Greyhound. Get rid of crush and put its speed on par with the other light tanks since I believe its currently still at pre-nerf Cromwell levels.
> 5. Almost same price tag as T34 for a very low quality tank Price: 300/80
Emphasis on almost. It's still 10 fuel cheaper, and the t34 is notorious for how cheap it is. The Valentine costs that much because it's tech free, and the maphacks is very valuable.
The IR HT on OKW needs to require more than 5 fuel because it displaces the value of that ability. If that was more expensive, 80 fuel for a tech-free light tank that can do it too seems plenty fair. Even if it's not some legend in combat like the t70
This is the balance section, not the realism section. Kubelwagens can survive a 85mm shell, if you ram it with a T34, you'll break the T34, people can stand point blank firing rifles at each other for about 20 seconds before anyone actually die. You'll have to come up with something better than that.
Thats why at least improve AI capability on it or AT role. Atleast we know what that thing can do. Currently its just IR HT but much expensive.
How will you justify 80 fuel that cant kill anything efficiently?
The best thing it can do is BE an IR HT for a freakn 300 Manpower /80 fuel.
Coz anything against it is killing it even your goldfish can kill the valentine thats how pitiful it is.
or just take 75mm gun off the valentin coz basically its the same. It cant kill anything and make it 200MP/5fuel like IRHT
Not to quote myself, but "It trades DPS for durability, map hax, and Sexton synergy"
It's not supposed to solo, it's a support unit. The absolute most it needs is a tiny bump on MG damage to make it better at fighting infantry and to swap the maphax and sexton abilities.
Its not durable. Give me replays that its good for something rather than dying.
Summary:
Tie to bofor/AEC unlock
~50-60 fuel, bang off 50mp
Buff AI somehow slightly (I still like the idea of a full power main gun to set it unique of lights at that time and increase lethal radius) AEC should still be viable tho and not worse in every way so AI on the lower side isn't BAD but trash like now is...
Lower exp requirments
Swap IR and Victor target
Maybe tie base howitzer to Victor as well if not already
Shared exp?
This.
I didn't say it was durable. I said it was more durable than a Puma.
So its not durable, its not efficient at kill Armored Car, Infantry, Support Weapon, Tanks, Tank Destroyer, Heavy Tank.
So what is it then?
Trash or just a waste of Manpower and Fuel?
Contest kubelwagen and valentine who kills faster.
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> So what is it then?
Go to post 10 in this thread.
Second, if you pick that Commander you have late-game arty spilling out of your hands and it's massively useful for scoping out targets.
Third, at most it needs a slight MG buff for more consistency vs infantry, as @Lazarus suggested. Any more than that and you're adding too much utility to a cp6 80 fuel vehicle.
This is directed more at OP, but I'm very tired of reading about people complaining that "x" unit loses to "y" unit, and that's why "x" unit needs to be changed. Very few units in this game are designed with soloing in mind. Especially in the Valentine's case, this unit should not be soloing any vehicle (unless a scout car or kubel has survived that long), its there for support.
That's kind of the point though, isn't it? Again, it's more durable than the AEC, has map hax, and can synergize with the Sextons (should also include the 25 pdrs like you said). You're getting a much wider variety of abilities out of the Valentine, so the depth has to suffer otherwise you end up with a no brainer unit