BRITISH NEW COMMANDER PROPOSALS

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  • #32
    5 months ago
    NapoqeNapoqe Posts: 47

    https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/245598/british-new-commander-proposals#Comment_282069

    I updated my suggestion. Leaving for me better, with more action. And with more exclusion the paratroopers of commandos. Merging the Intel skills (I not like the name Intelligence reference to espionage, etc.) to make room for the paratroopers.

    This post has no intention of flood. Depending on a big possibility the suggestion does not change anymore. It had recently given me more inspiration.

  • #33
    5 months ago

    Assault Operations

    Abilities:

    1. Smoke Supplies

      • 1 CP
      • Sections can throw smoke grenades. Similar to the shock troop smoke grenade.
      • Sappers can fire smoke grenades (similar to rear echelon smoke)
    2. Modified Bren Guns

      • 2 CP
      • Bren guns have been modified to fire on the move. Similar to BARs.
      • Limited to one per squad.
      • Second weapon slot is still available to be filled by normal brens, piats etc.
    3. Assault Valentine tank

      • 4 CP call-in
      • Main gun modified to fire faster and perform better versus infantry. Similar weapon profile to the T70 main gun.
      • Performance against vehicles dramatically reduced.
      • Flanking Speed ability which increases movement speed.
      • Canister shot similar to the greyhound's
    4. Assault Air Support

      • 10 CP
      • RAF attacks visible enemies in enemy territory. The planes do not loiter, its only one pass.
      • 2x Anti-infantry and 1x AT plane.
      • Enemy infantry will be pinned down and enemy tanks will have their turrets jammed if hit.
      • The overall damage done by the airstrike will be very low: the value comes from the suppression and turret debuff.
    5. Command Comet

      • 13 CP call-in
      • Command aura increases the movement speed of infantry by 15% and increases the accuracy of allied vehicles.
      • The movement speed buff is not a sprint so infantry should still be able to fire while on the move.
      • The comet itself will have the same base stats as a regular comet.

    Further Details and Explanations

    The UKF faction has many strong defensive options in the form of emplacements, section cover bonuses and tough infantry tanks such as the crocodile.
    The purpose of Assault Operations is to provide the UKF a more aggressive and mobile approach to combat: the abilities included in the commander are focused on rapid and effective thrusts into enemy territory.

    1. Smoke Supplies
      The British do not readily have access to smoke, requiring the player to heavily invest into a mortar emplacement or wait for the medium tanks and their smoke shells to arrive. Smoke Supplies should provide ample smoke, which should assist when pushing against a dug in position.
      The sapper smoke could be removed if the amount of smoke proves cheesy.

    2. Modified Brens
      The normal bren guns are powerful but require the infantry to stop moving to be effective, making it difficult to push against MGs. The modified bren should allow sections to remain mobile without suffering from a large DPS penalty and improving their ability to support large pushes by clearing out support weapons.
      The modified bren is upgradeable per squad like the Grenadier LMG.

    3. Assault Valentine
      The Assault Valentine is intended to be an infantry support tool, specialising in clearing support weapons and threatening enemy infantry. The flank speed ability will assist the Assault Valentine get in canister shot range of support weapons or provide it a means of escape when the German's get angry.
      To solidify its role as an infantry support tank, the Assault Valentine will all but lose its ability to contest any vehicles above the super light axis vehicles (e.g. Half-tracks should keep their distance but P4s can essentially ignore it). As a result, it would also come in slightly earlier than the normal Valentine.

    4. Assault Air Support
      This ability can only target visible enemies in enemy territory, making it ideal for supporting pushes into enemy territory. The other abilities in this doctrine are already quite powerful so Assault Air Support will not be as impactful as other air strike abilities in the game: the planes will not deal much damage and they will only pass over once. This should give opponents a little more room for counterplay as well.
      This ability is not intended to win battles by itself like cough sector assault, but will still require skill on the players part to follow up with a well coordinated push into enemy territory.

    5. Command Comet
      Not much to say for this one. The movement speed buff should help infantry keep up with tanks during a combined arms push, as well as providing some extra benefits.

  • #34
    5 months ago

    Commander: Quick respon regiment.

    0Cp: Vehicle mounted fighting training.
    Infantry now can fight from inside of the univeral carrier.
    1Cp: Assault sections.
    New unit.
    4 man squad with sten gun, 2 slots.
    Can toss upto 2 mills bombs before cooldown.
    Can upgrade to 2 thompson smg, take 1 slot.
    Can become 5 man.
    4Cp: M3 resuply halftrack.
    Same as curent one, drop gun and reforce.
    4Cp: Air resuply opeation.
    Same as curent one.
    10Cp: Precision barrage.
    From advance emplacement regiment.

    This regiment, as its name, allow you to quickly answer to many situlation on the field and open more early to earli - mid game options.
    Mounted training help bolth UC and infantry have some better combat capable without UC upgrade which make it no more can transport troops, Also increase mobiliti of your troop.
    Assault section provide some close range DPS and can be a good flanking unit, fill in what UKF lacking early game.
    M3 provide onfield reinforce and weapond for infantry.
    Air resuply quickly provide AT gun for vehicle threat and also some tool for anti garrison/inderect surport.
    Precision barrage is for dealing with stronghold or slowed down tank.

  • #35
    5 months ago

    @WilhelmIX said:
    Hello, I hope you have a good day :)
    Here's my another suggestion, this time for the new british commander, I hope you will like it ;)

    British Armoured Regiment

    I like your ideal here, prety like my ideal about "royal tank regiment" that i postef here before. I would like to see your commens about my commander.
    I recomment you replace crewrepare with advance assembly for this commander less munition depent,

  • #36
    5 months ago
    WilhelmIXWilhelmIX Posts: 18
    edited January 22

    @DarjeelingMK7 said:

    @WilhelmIX said:
    Hello, I hope you have a good day :)
    Here's my another suggestion, this time for the new british commander, I hope you will like it ;)

    British Armoured Regiment

    I like your ideal here, prety like my ideal about "royal tank regiment" that i postef here before. I would like to see your commens about my commander.
    I recomment you replace crewrepare with advance assembly for this commander less munition depent,

    Whoops, I wanted to edit my post but accidently I deleted it :(

    Thanks for the feedback though! :)

    EDIT: I know why, I wanted to edit it, and after I pressed "Save Comment" it told me that it has to be approved or something ;/

  • #37
    5 months ago

    Royal airforce regiment

    Its the raf but in coh lol

    1st slot

    Commando glider or foward logistics glider (3 cp, call in unit)

    2nd slot

    Air resupply operation (4 cp)

    3rd slot

    Hold the line (8 cp)

    4th slot

    Strafing support (12 cp)

    5th slot

    Air supremacy operation (12 cp)

    Advanced royal engineers regiment

    1st slot

    m2 flamethrower (0 cp)

    2nd slot

    field recovery operation (same as the royal engineers but also let sappers build tank traps)(1 cp)

    3rd slot

    hull down (similar to ost hull down)(5cp)

    4th slot

    HEAT rounds (similar as okw heat rounds) (7cp)

    5th slot

    churchill avre call in (12 cp)

  • #38
    5 months ago
    PanzerFutzPanzerFutz Melbourne, OzPosts: 346

    Here are my suggestions for the new British commander:

    Lend-Lease Armoured Regiment
    (giving the Brits a better selection of armour)

    M21 Mortar Half-Track
    Resupply Half-Track (from Special Weapons Regiment)
    M10 Wolverine
    M7B1 Priest HMC
    P47 Rocket Strike
    

    Armour Support Regiment

    Tank Hunter Infantry
    Designate Command Vehicle
    Assault
    Vehicle Crew Repair
    Strafing Support
    

    All CP values remain at their current settings. Contexts and rationales have been thoroughly explained by me in other threads so, I'm not going to repeat them here.

  • #39
    5 months ago
    WilhelmIXWilhelmIX Posts: 18

    Ok, I wrote this suggestion 2 times already and it got deleted every time, so I'm gonna write it yet again and hope that it doesn't get deleted too. :/

    British Armoured Regiment

    Theme:
    This regiment values planned and agressive attacks with the tank usage. Gain vital intelligence and exploit enemy movements with the powerful and versatile british armored units. Heavy artillery can crush defensive lines of the enemy.

    Unit and Ability Roster:

    Slot 1: Radio Intercept

    • Available from 0CP.
    • Passive Ability
    • Identical to the soviet "Radio Intercept"

    Slot 2: Designate Command Vehicle

    • Available from 2CP.
    • Ability already in-game

    Slot 3: Vehicle Crew Repairs

    • Available from 6CP
    • Ability already in-game

    Slot 4: APCR Rounds

    • Available from 7CP
    • Allows british armoured units (cromwell, sherman firefly, churchill, comet and AEC) to shoot APCR rounds for the short period of time
    • Same stats (30% more damage and penetration), duration and cost as the OKW "HEAT" rounds

    Slot 5: Precision Barrage

    • Available from 10CP
    • Identical to the Advanced Emplacement Regiment "Precision Barrage" Ability

    Strategies and Rational
    This commander would focus on the tanks by making them very versatile. Radio intercept would value planning, and the APCR rounds would be a new and interesting ability.

    Disadvantages:

    • Lack of any infantry-focused abilities (excepct radio intercept) like the flamethrowers etc;
    • Lack of the any special tank like the churchill crocodile or churchill AVRE

    Additional suggestion:
    In the "sparhead" mod it's possible to give any tank a pintle mounted MG (So thanks to it I know that it's possible to add it in-game). My additional suggestion is that "APCR rounds" ability would be swapped with the "Additional Tank Supplies" ability:

    Slot 4: Additional Tank Supplies

    • Available from 7CP
    • Allows british armoured units to use APCR rounds (same as above)
    • Allows comet and churchill to be upgraded with the pintle mounted Vickers MG for the 60 ammunition.


    (as you can see churchill is upgraded with the Vickers MG on the top of the turret)

    I hope you will like it :wink:

  • #40
    5 months ago

    My turn for proposal for the British

    Commander: RAF Frontline Support

    Theme: This commander using the mighty British Royal Airforce for CAS (close air support) for the commonwealth frontline. By either dropping support weapons for friendly units or pushing the frontline with devastating strafes.

    Slot 1: Advanced Cover Combat (2 CP): Infantry sections fight better in cover
    Slot 2: Supply Drop (3 CP): Same as Close Air Support Commander for the axis
    Slot 3: Assault (4 CP): Infantry move faster and have better attack. Recon planes fly over the front lines.
    Slot 4: Air Resupply Operation (4 CP): Weapons and medical supplies are dropped. Better defence and reinforce speed in friendly territory.
    Slot 5: Air Supremacy Operation (12 CP): Same as normal

    Strategies: Advanced Cover Combat and Assault tactics supports the frontline combat abilities to infantry and supply your army with either support weapons or needed resources. Also when needed, use air supremacy to blow up axis frontline all the way to victory

  • #41
    5 months ago
    HatbaronHatbaron Posts: 10

    UKF Royal Armour Division

    Theme: Based on real British armoured divisions like the Guards Armoured, which in general featured larger numbers of lend-leased shermans and halftracks than they did cromwell tanks. The division aims to encourage mobile armoured assaults by granting the British the versatility of the sherman and giving them an additional halftrack doctrine to provide needed mobility and aggressive frontline reinforcement capacity.

    Unit and Ability Roster

    Slot 1: Sherman V unlock

    • Available from 0CP
    • Unlocks the ability to build sherman V medium tanks from the Company command post.
    • Identical to US M4A3 Sherman

    Slot 2: Designate Command Vehicle

    • Available from 2 CP
    • Identical to Royal Engineer and Tactical Support

    Slot 3: M3 Supply Halftrack

    • Available from 4CP
    • Identical to Special Weapons ability

    Slot 4: Vehicle Crew Repairs

    • Available from 6CP
    • Identical to Royal Engineer, Vanguard Operations and Mobile Assault

    Slot 5: Concentrated Artillery Operation

    • Available from 12CP
    • Identical to Special Weapons ability

    Strategies and Rational

    The overall concept is to provide an aggressive armour focused British commander. The Sherman unlock provides the British player with a new option to vary up their tank force. The sherman also gains additional benefits with the command vehicle aura and the capacity to use it's greater moving accuracy when given emergency war speed.

    The M3 supply halftrack provides a transport that infantry can provide fire support from, with the droppable vickers guns the M3 can act as a powerful assault unit for clearing enemy weapons teams and other infantry formations. The mobile reinforcement capacity allows infantry to stay in the fight longer to support the armour in longer engagements.

    If there is too solid a hardpoint for the mechanised force to break through the concentrated artillery should be able to either clear the obstacle or force a retreat for the followup push.

    Additional Context

    Shermans and M3s were widely used by the British army during the war so it only makes sense to have a commander which gives them access to it.

  • #42
    5 months ago

    British Forces Submission

  • #43
    5 months ago

    Faction + Commander Name: British Forces Special Intelligence Regiment

    Theme: Take advantage of veteran British intelligence organisations to misdirect enemy forces and strike where it hurts the most. Use powerful code-breaking operations and spy rings to intercept enemy action, before delaying their logistics and mounting unexpected counter-attacks.

    Unit and Ability Roster

    CP 0: Code-breaking Operations

    • Intercepts enemy radio transmissions providing valuable intel on enemy actions.
    • Passive ability
    • Identical to the Soviet ‘Radio Intercept’ ability.

    CP 3: Communications Blackout

    • When activated, all units are hidden on the enemy mini-map
    • Cost: 25 Munitions, cooldown of
    • Active for 60s
    • Identical to the OKW ‘Radio Silence’ ability.

    CP 4: Secret Intelligence Network

    • Using double agents and carefully knitted spy rings, temporarily reveal all enemy units on the mini-map.
    • Cost: 50 Munitions, cooldown of 180s
    • Active for 15s
    • Identical to the Soviet ‘Spy Network’ ability.

    CP 5: Raiding Force Commandos

    • Calls in a squad of Raid Commandos
    • Cost: 400 Manpower, cooldown of 90s
    • Can be deployed from ambient buildings
    • Similar to regular Commandos, but have the following abilities:

    > Demolition charge
        + Identical to the Infiltration Commandos Demolition charge
        + Cost: 65 Munitions
    > Camouflage training
        + Unit moves faster in camouflage
        + Passive ability
    > Hold Fire
        + Unit will not open fire on enemies
        + Toggle ability
    > Booby trap point
        + Identical to the OKW booby trap point ability
        + Cost: 40 Munitions
    > Booby trap building
        + Booby traps an ambient building with an explosive charge
        + Cost: 60 Munitions
    > Modified M6 Mines
        + Identical to the Royal Engineer M6 mines ability
        + Cost: 30 Munitions
    

    CP 10: Sabotage operations

    • Hidden resistance pockets proceed with sabotage operations, damaging and delaying the enemy logistics network.
    • Cost: 100 Manpower, 180 Munitions, cooldown of 240s
    • Active for 90s, reduces enemy resource income by 15%, enemy units take 33% longer to arrive on the battlefield, enemy squads take 33% longer to reinforce.

    Strategies and Rational

    The British had arguably the best and most organised military intelligence, sabotage, code-breaking and assets of the war. The commander aims to demonstrate that within the game by providing powerful abilities for both deception and sabotage, while keeping on top of enemy movements in order to counter them.
    The ‘Code-Breaking Operations’ and ‘Secret Intelligence Network’ will allow the player to anticipate what the enemy is doing, and with skill set up defences and units to counter these movements.
    The ‘Communications Blackout’ ability will then allow the player to quickly make unexpected counter-attacks that are difficult to react to. Combined with the ‘Sabotage Operations’ ability, a competent player will be able to hurt the enemy’s ability to recoup losses from an assault, giving them an opportune window to conduct and counter-attack.
    The Raid Commandos will complement the ‘Sabotage Operations’ ability by both slowing down enemy assaults and forcing them to be wary of traps within their own territory, in effect hurting their ability to react fluidly to rapidly changing battlefield conditions.

    Additional Context

    The British Secret Intelligence Service and Special Operations Executive gave the British an edge in obth tactical and strategic operations by disrupting weapons development and production, as well as constantly feeding the military invaluable information regarding enemy operations. In conjunction with French and Polish resistance groups, they were also able to cause a significant amount of grief to German logistics personnel by blowing up railways and bridges, mining roads and raiding weapons stores. Part of the success of D-day can be attributed to them, by delaying German Panzer groups from counter-attacking the coasts before a strong beachhead could be established.

  • #44
    5 months ago
    MartevallMartevall Posts: 108
    Great idea
  • #45
    5 months ago
    Socom62Socom62 Posts: 2

    Hopefully this isn't too late:

    UKF Reconnaissance Regiment

    Theme: Gather intelligence to strike your enemy where they are weakest while concealing your own units with smoke and stealth. Use command vehicle recon planes, infiltration commandos, or the Observation Detachment Valentine to gather intel on your enemy. Then use the smoke raid to close in on their positions while supporting your offensive with a command vehicle. RAF strafing support stands by to attack enemies revealed by your units and abilities.

    Unit and Ability Roster

    Slot 1: Designate Command Vehicle
    Ability, available from 2CP
    Costs 75 Munitions

    Slot 2: Smoke Raid Operation
    Ability, available from 3CP
    Costs 60 Munitions
    Same as the Commando Regiment “Smoke Raid Operation”

    Slot 3: Infiltration Commandos
    Call-in unit, available from 3CP
    Cost 370MP

    Slot 4: Observation Detachment “Valentine”
    Call-in unit, available from 5CP
    Cost 300MP, 80 Fuel
    Identical to the Royal Artillery Valentine
    No need to alter the sexton barrage since it is disabled without sextons on the field anyway.

    Slot 5: Strafing Support
    Two Hawker Typhoons target the designated area with rockets and machine guns.
    Available from 12CP
    Cost 200 Munitions

    Strategies and Rational

    UKF have a hard time approaching direct fire weapons and defensive positions due to offensive smoke being tied either to the mortar pit or a vehicle like the cromwell and the lack of an effective rocket artillery. This regiment is an attempt to always give a player an option to fight back against a player who has managed to entrench himself or to simply open up more options such as forego a mortar pit in favor of a more head-on assault.

    Multiple offensive smoke options (Valentine, Commandos, Smoke Raid) and multiple recon options (Command Vehicle, Commandos, Valentine Observation mode) ensure that no matter what the battle calls for they will have additional means of recon or concealment into it. The Commandos, Valentine, and Smoke Raid offer increasing levels of concealment from a single smoke grenade to inducing a literal white-out of an area. Similarly Commandos, Valentine, and Recon plane offer increasing levels of recon for better defense or a better offense.

    Strategies: The command vehicle + valentine combination is meant to provide a sturdy support tank or an alternative medium armour to the AEC. It provides an anvil (if used on defense) or a hammer (if used with an attacking force). Most strategies with this commander will revolve around using this combo as an effective way to buff the british army. Combining this + smoke + recon is the primary way through which this doctrine is meant to win games.

    To balance this strong combination there is no heavy call in nor indirect fire provided so one-shotting OKW t4, leFH, pak 43, etc. isn’t an option. This means that the player using this commander needs to employ more conventional attacks combined with the power of smoke and the command vehicle. Strafing support is strong, but it is a loiter. Command vehicle + any other ability is unique to this doctrine meaning your opponent can know strafing support is coming and prep accordingly.

    It’s other main weakness is that smoke and recon don’t do anything on their own and must be taken advantage of by the player, which could be very micro intense. Commandos can be a double-edged sword which allows an opponent to come back through massive bleed (35mp each adds up quick, that’s an entire new infantry section every 8 models.)

    From a team game perspective it opens up the ability to be more mobile as the Brits as well as provide smoke via smoke raid to remote locations of the battlefield.

  • #46
    4 months ago

    Sherman V (M4A4 75mm)
    380mp and 90 fuel
    1 MG and 1 main gun on the Turret

  • #47
    4 months ago


    the Scope Lee Enfield was a upgrade for vet 3 Rifle section and it have been remove long time ago
    why we don't give it to the Commando Unit ?
    4 man with 3 Silenced Sten and 1 Scope SMLE

  • #48
    4 months ago

    @Dangminh25 said:

    the Scope Lee Enfield was a upgrade for vet 3 Rifle section and it have been remove long time ago
    why we don't give it to the Commando Unit ?
    4 man with 3 Silenced Sten and 1 Scope SMLE

    sten is short range SMG

    SMLE is bolt action rifle and It is not good to shoot while moving

    They do not fit together

  • #49
    4 months ago
    > @HyperBlancat said:
    > @Dangminh25 said:
    >
    > the Scope Lee Enfield was a upgrade for vet 3 Rifle section and it have been remove long time ago
    > why we don't give it to the Commando Unit ?
    > 4 man with 3 Silenced Sten and 1 Scope SMLE
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    > sten is short range SMG
    >
    > SMLE is bolt action rifle and It is not good to shoot while moving
    >
    > They do not fit together

    +1.
    Scoped Enfield should be given to a sniper or recon squad.
  • #50
    4 months ago

    For the scoped enfield, I would suggest using it as part of a command section. 3 man team that can follow around an infantry section and buff it, giving the 2 squads the same strength as 2 regular infantry sections, but at a lower price. It doesn't promote blobbing since it's not an aura, and it forces them to be used together. The command section could snipe like the CoH1 recon section.

  • #51
    4 months ago
    Andy_REAndy_RE Posts: 256 admin

    Submissions are now closed. Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to post their ideas.

    The Balance Team will now be assessing the best proposals for the next stage of this update.

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