(OKW) LeIG 18 Mortar

#1
4 months ago

It feels as if it is the weakest mortar in game for something that costs around 300 manpower I think, cant retreat, 4 man, least damage of all mortars. When I compared every other standard mortar damage dead center on a squad (after some tests), it is around 230-240 damage with normal mortar (Wehrmacht Mortar for instance) when Le.IG 18 does around 180-190 damage having the same fire rate as any other.

Should it be more than it currently is because I personally think it is the worst Mortar in game. It has no real effect, does not have the lethal power as any other mortar, it just feels too weak, I am not too sure about the accuracy but it does not seem to have any significant difference. What are the benefits of having LeIG 18 that has a little more range when it does have significant less damage , same firerate and cant retreat. If you compare USF M1 Pack Howizter which is the best mortar in game, has way superior range and damage, wipe squads easily at times better than Russian 120mm personally.

I am not saying it should be exactly that way but currently there does not seem to have a real purpose in using Le.IG 18 compared to a Wehrmacht and other factions default mortar which does better in my experiences.

I think it needs adjustments for its poor damage and consistency. It is a bad investment, I tried it many times, and it is simply terrible in comparison to every other standard issue mortar. What do you guys think?

I will emphasise more if necessary

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  • #2
    4 months ago
    C3ToothC3Tooth Posts: 395
    edited March 19

    USF supportgun:
    MP: 340mp
    Pop: 8

    OKW supportgun
    MP: 270mp
    Pop: 7

  • #3
    4 months ago
    VipperVipper Posts: 3,722

    @C3Tooth said:
    USF supportgun:
    MP: 340mp
    Pop: 8

    OKW supportgun
    MP: 270mp
    Pop: 7

    now compare the barrage of the 2 units.

  • #4
    4 months ago
    mrgame2mrgame2 Posts: 496
    Usf motor carriage is a vet5 leig gun with even further range, placed ontop of stuart. I propose motor carriage to be same popcap as axis arty of panzerwarfer and stuka which is 10 to 12.
  • #5
    4 months ago
    Balanced_GamerBalanced_… Posts: 186

    @C3Tooth said:
    USF supportgun:
    MP: 340mp
    Pop: 8

    OKW supportgun
    MP: 270mp
    Pop: 7

    Nice comparison in terms of range, and accuracy but have you compared the insane damage differences. I do not think accuracy is everything when there is a lot of macro involved, and a mortar that does the least damage does not compensates at all for the way it is.

    I mean in game, everyone is aware that USF howizter is great and insane. It is simply devastating. LeiG 18, is a like rubber shot than a real calibre, metaphorically speaking, I mean that is how it is. It should least have the same damage as any other regular mortar. It currently has the worst damage.

    I play USF also and whenever you have direct hit on squad which happens frequently in game with Howizter, It guarantees kills. LeiG 18 just damages, even right on the model, it does not kill, every other mortar has the potential to kill but not the LeiG 18. I usually try getting 2 Howizters as USF, it dominates, wipes squads, and has phosphorous shot, very deadly. OKW mortar is somewhat puny!!! I am quite sure that everyone can agree on that fact.

  • #6
    4 months ago
    Patrol_OmegaPatrol_Om… Posts: 211

    I'm surprised the OKW support gun cost hasn't been increased to 300MP by now.

  • #7
    4 months ago
    SkysTheLimitSkysTheLi… Posts: 2,268

    It has smoke, which is a very good reason to use it since OKW has very little access to smoke abilities (excluding the self-defense versions on flak, puma, etc.)

  • #8
    4 months ago
    Balanced_GamerBalanced_… Posts: 186

    Every mortar has smoke, of course there is every reason to use a mortar, but that should not be the main purpose of the LeiG 18. OKW which is reasonably a strong faction with some units not functioning the way it should, Leig 18's damage being the poorest, Kubel veterancy problem too slow (only able to ever achieve max 1 to 2 vet), Luchs being a specialist does not perform as well as it should for its price compared to other specialist AI vehicles.

    Why does the Leig 18 have to do the least damage of all mortars when it can not even retreat. It should at least shoot faster than any other mortar for that compensation (that poor damage), currently it is a joke in comparison to every other mortar. Or do at least more damage than most mortars. It is 270 manpower, it should have some effect. I would rather use Wehr mortar instead since it is better and more consistent. The range difference really is about 10m which is not that great, but the great obvious difference is the damage.

    What is range worth if it does poorly against units especially when a lot of macro is involved. I would rather take my chances with damage output instead.

  • #9
    4 months ago
    KatitofKatitof Posts: 6,595

    It has same 80 dmg any other mortar does.

    Accuracy(scatter), rate of fire, time for projectile to hit, AoE profile all matter in the same way and you have focused exclusively on AoE profile, ignoring all other stats, which leig outperforms by a mile in comparison.

  • #10
    3 months ago
    SkysTheLimitSkysTheLi… Posts: 2,268

    @Balanced_Gamer said:
    Every mortar has smoke, of course there is every reason to use a mortar, but that should not be the main purpose of the LeiG 18. OKW which is reasonably a strong faction with some units not functioning the way it should, Leig 18's damage being the poorest

    It's functioning exactly the way it should. How many factions can get rocket arty in their first tech building if they choose? Two of them can't get rocket arty at all. OKWs indirect is just fine. They also have the best building clearing mainline in the game, so they dont even need early indirect as much.

    .

  • #11
    3 months ago
    DarjeelingMK7Darjeelin… Posts: 244
    Swap LEIG to mortar emplacement sound good to me, while i'm playing as brit.
  • #12
    3 months ago
    Balanced_GamerBalanced_… Posts: 186

    @DarjeelingMK7 said:
    Swap LEIG to mortar emplacement sound good to me, while i'm playing as brit.

    Personally, I would not mind that change. LeiG 18 has the poorest damage, ignore the stats because in game it is a different story. If I picked every other mortar over the OKWs, it is plain simply better. This currently does less damage, cant retreat, less AOE, same rate of fire. There is no upsides in using LeiG 18 really. Every other mortar has a punch which this does not.

    Either buff the damage or AOE, because it lacks in both areas, decrease range if you must because it does not mean a difference if it does hardly as much.

    Play it in game, you can see it for yourself. It will surprise you when you realise, how bad it can actually be!!!

  • #13
    3 months ago
    BloodygoodBloodygood Posts: 73

    As a Brit player, I find leigs terribly effective. Not only on emplacements, where they are more than a great investment, but they will occasionally kill 2 units dead to rights (read: they can and do squad wipe if you're working with half a tommie squad). Backed up by an okw sim city truck, they become almost invincible constant killing machines. I love stealing them (very difficult), because it almost always turns the game in my favor.

  • #14
    3 months ago
    BloodygoodBloodygood Posts: 73

    Also, I will add that combined with the cheap IR truck, they have the best range and site capabilities in the game. Fog of war is of least concern to the indirect fire unit that is the leig! Accuracy buff would be completely unfair.

  • #15
    3 months ago
    WAAAGH2000WAAAGH2000 Posts: 48

    I want mortar halftrack!

  • #16
    1 month ago
    ankleankle Posts: 26
    edited June 7

    the LEIG is actually OP, far too effective, mainly because it requires little micro, the firing cone covers such a large area that it'll be almost constantly offering support with absolutely no micro required, protect either with flak truck of flak emplacement it's a devastating combination

    either the firing cone width needs to be nerfed to match the usf version so it doesn't constantly auto fire such a significant portion of the map without re-positioning, or a price+pop increase to bring it in line with it's effectiveness

    its one of the most desirable weapons to steal for a reason

  • #17
    1 month ago
    Balanced_GamerBalanced_… Posts: 186

    @ankle said:
    the LEIG is actually OP, far too effective, mainly because it requires little micro, the firing cone covers such a large area that it'll be almost constantly offering support with absolutely no micro required, protect either with flak truck of flak emplacement it's a devastating combination

    either the firing cone width needs to be nerfed to match the usf version so it doesn't constantly auto fire such a significant portion of the map without re-positioning, or a price+pop increase to bring it in line with it's effectiveness

    its one of the most desirable weapons to steal for a reason

    _To be frankly clear. LEIG is not OP. Why because it does not have strong firepower to the rest of any other mortars. It suffers heavily by having the least AOE of all meaning less overall damage. Although it has slightly more range and a bit more accurate but those does not necessarily make it strong. _

    If you want to argue which mortar is actually OP or so called very strong, look to the "USF Pack Howizter". That is formidable. Having the best overall damage, range and AOE. Look to this. It has also special shells like phosphorous (poison smoke wow) and HE shells (against vehicles another wow) which LEIG has neither. In theory, 1-2 Direct hits on a squad, it is finished. It packs such a huge punch. End of Story.

    LEIG requires 3-5 direct hits on squad to actually kill it. If anything, every other mortar does better than LEIG to a certain extent due to the fact they have better AOE (Area of Affect). LEIG only does 2 things. Barrage and smoke. Nothing else. There is nothing unique or strong about it. Just range that sacrifices overall damage. To me, that is not worth it and it can not retreat.

    I mean even, the USF Pack Howizter can't retreat also and that is for a good reason. It actually does something, pack a punch. LEIG is just an infant compared to "BIG DADDY USF PACK HOWITZER". Watch Adam Sandler "BIG DADDY", great show!..

    That thing also does not require micro. In fact all mortars in game does not require micro rather you have to position them then leave them to do the rest.

    For me and for anyone else, the most desirable weapon to steal is undeniably the USF Pack Howizter and none other. Maybe 120mm also. LEIG, not so much! o:)

  • #18
    1 month ago
    ankleankle Posts: 26
    edited June 9

    congratulation on missing the point entirely, the problem is due to the non micro aspect of the mortar and the large area of the map it covers, this makes the unit FAR to effective for such a small amount of manpower and population

    something needs to be done to bring it in line with other units, it is obviously far too effective for it's cost

    to suggest it needs a buff is ridiculous

  • #19
    1 month ago
    Balanced_GamerBalanced_… Posts: 186

    You must be joking considering LEIG being far too effective which it is not!

    If it were, then you would see it frequently. Instead what you will frequently see is

    From how often it ranges, how often it is used:

    1# USF Pack Howiz
    2# SU 120mm
    3# WEHR Mortar
    4# UKF Mortar emplacement
    5# SU Mortar
    6# USF Mortar
    and Last 7# LEIG

    LEIG, I just simply do not see how it stands at all. As I said, it has the least AOE dealing overall less damage to the rest of all the mortars. USF Pack Howizter has more range than the LEIG covering more area if you were wondering! You say it requires hardly any micro. Guess what, Even USF requires little micro although it also it needs slight adjustments just as much as the LEIG does. Microing it makes it 3 times more efficient with the Pack Howizter.

    Currently, you can abuse the USF Pack Howizter. Shoot first and then do a quick barrage follow up and the next shot does not come in 5 seconds but rather within 2-3 seconds. Making it the fastest and deadliest follow up of all mortars in game, the USF Pack Howizter. Its AOE being the biggest in addition to having the best damage of them all. If anything that is very efficient is USF Pack Howizter. It can even take on vehicles which LEIG can not even do.

    The LEIG is a joke simply. I really do not get your point about LEIG being too efficient for its price in addition to pop cap. It is simply not valid. To me, it is currently inefficient although it is useful mostly against structures and that is about it! Reason being is because it is slightly more accurate but sacrifices more firepower overall for it. So, thus it has more cons than pros with LEIG. Plus it shoots slower than the USF Pack Howizter. LEIG against infantry, not so much an effect in comparison to the rest.

    I guess you have not looked closely to how the other mortars perform to judge correctly which one is more efficient!

    LEIG OP. You are pulling my leg aren't you?

  • #20
    1 month ago
    C3ToothC3Tooth Posts: 395

    USF Pack is the least used, only rare time I see teammate USF uses it and suprise how it rarely hit, but when it hit, it kills alot. Though the Pack is still too pricely for USF, for their core infantry is already cost more. With units cost 280-340, its no way for USF to hold the line with 210-250mp units that can fight equal to Riflemen in early game.

    Try the math yourself
    2 Riflemen and a Pack: 280 280 340 = 900
    With this mp, either 3 Sturm, or 1 Volk & 3 Kubel, or even with just 3 Volks. Can simply rush in and take away the Pack.
    Remember (1) Pack tech doesnt go with MGs, (2) Riflemen has no sandbag to defend the line

    Pack is not weak, its just better to get a 81mm mortar to soft support Riflemen because its more affordable and able to retreat, Im not going to get a Pack just to be give it to Okw.


    Leig however, it is one of the top indirect weapons today because its the only thing available for Okw, to Deal with Brit.
    You dont play as a Brit to feel how accurate Leig is, with InfrateHT, you will almost confirm a hit with every round it fires. My friend plays as Brit and always complain whenever he hears Leig.

  • #21
    1 month ago
    KatitofKatitof Posts: 6,595
    edited June 11

    @Balanced_Gamer said:
    _To be frankly clear. LEIG is not OP. Why because it does not have strong firepower to the rest of any other mortars. It suffers heavily by having the least AOE of all meaning less overall damage. Although it has slightly more range and a bit more accurate but those does not necessarily make it strong.

    There is this thing called scatter(accuracy for non direct fire weapons) and leig scatter is LOWEST of all mortars, meaning IT HAS HIGHEST ACCURACY IN GAME.

    It doesn't need large AoE, when it hits directly about 4 times as often as other mortars.

    Go (removed) check of most important stat for indirect fire weapons and leigs uncontested superiority on the matter here.

    "bit more accurate" HAH, good one.

  • #22
    1 month ago
    Balanced_GamerBalanced_… Posts: 186
    edited June 11

    @Katitof said:

    @Balanced_Gamer said:
    _To be frankly clear. LEIG is not OP. Why because it does not have strong firepower to the rest of any other mortars. It suffers heavily by having the least AOE of all meaning less overall damage. Although it has slightly more range and a bit more accurate but those does not necessarily make it strong.

    There is this thing called scatter(accuracy for non direct fire weapons) and leig scatter is LOWEST of all mortars, meaning IT HAS HIGHEST ACCURACY IN GAME.

    It doesn't need large AoE, when it hits directly about 4 times as often as other mortars.

    Go check the most important stat for indirect fire weapons and leigs uncontested superiority on the matter here.

    "bit more accurate" HAH, good one.

    If it is that good as you claim it be. Than why is it hardly used in 1v1 especially in team games compared to any other mortar, in retrospect.

    It does not have the so called highest accuracy if its slightly more accurate than any other.Being Number 1 Accurate does not necessarily makes it the most accurate or highest accuracy, might just be slightly or somewhat more but not drastically accurate. Even then, accuracy at the end of day, does not matter as much as the damage dealt overall.

    RNG, so accuracy in terms of artillery is not everything. Better take my chances in using a B4 than any other Artillery because of its sheer firepower. Especially due to its potential to unexpectedly destroy a PanzerIV in 1 shot. Same goes for the USF Pack Howitzer which everyone can agree on is very strong at the moment. LEIG, please. How it is that good at all if it is the least used. It is reliable but it is not that strong. I would say, any other mortar is better than this due to its firepower and DPS.

    You account accuracy for being superior to that of damage. Well that is not entirely true. Take B4, Katusha, Panzerwerfer, Walking Stuka, Pack Howizter, 120mm SU Doctrinal Mortar. Are they all that accurate and the answer is simply No. It is still something anyone would be interesting in taking.

    Yes, because firepower and damage counts most at the end of the day. It guarantees model kills which is what matters in winning engagements. Accuracy is useless if it does inefficiently enough damage which LEIG does on many occasions. As I said, it is only reliable enough to destroy structures (best used against UKF particularly in team games cuz of the fortifications, it is consistent in doing structure damage) but not infantry in comparison. Pack Howizter although less accurate, but when it does hit directly. Anybody's answer would simply be, go for the USF Pack Howizter instead.

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  • #23
    1 month ago
    KatitofKatitof Posts: 6,595
    edited June 11

    @Balanced_Gamer said:

    @Katitof said:

    @Balanced_Gamer said:
    _To be frankly clear. LEIG is not OP. Why because it does not have strong firepower to the rest of any other mortars. It suffers heavily by having the least AOE of all meaning less overall damage. Although it has slightly more range and a bit more accurate but those does not necessarily make it strong.

    There is this thing called scatter(accuracy for non direct fire weapons) and leig scatter is LOWEST of all mortars, meaning IT HAS HIGHEST ACCURACY IN GAME.

    It doesn't need large AoE, when it hits directly about 4 times as often as other mortars.

    Go check the most important stat for indirect fire weapons and leigs uncontested superiority on the matter here.

    "bit more accurate" HAH, good one.

    If it is that good as you claim it be. Than why is it hardly used in 1v1 especially in team games compared to any other mortar, in retrospect.

    (because mechanized is meta and everyone and his dog goes for Luchs in 1v1 and in team games you'd need more then 1 OKW player so one goes mechanized and its still better to just focus on luchs and offense while ost focuses on defense and indirect)

    It does not have the so called highest accuracy if its slightly more accurate than any other.Being Number 1 Accurate does not necessarily makes it the most accurate or highest accuracy, might just be slightly or somewhat more but not drastically accurate. Even then, accuracy at the end of day, does not matter as much as the damage dealt overall.

    50% lower scatter values translate to 400% higher accuracy due to much less area being potentially targetted as that's how circles work(well, trapezoids in CoH mechanics case).
    Learn how stats work.

    RNG, so accuracy in terms of artillery is not everything. Better take my chances in using a B4 than any other Artillery because of its sheer firepower. Especially due to its potential to unexpectedly destroy a PanzerIV in 1 shot. Same goes for the USF Pack Howitzer which everyone can agree on is very strong at the moment. LEIG, please. How it is that good at all if it is the least used. It is reliable but it is not that strong. I would say, any other mortar is better than this due to its firepower and DPS.

    1) RNG means reliability, B4 is literal slot machine, you might get a money shot and turn the game, you might never hit anything across its whole life span
    2) RNG is precisely why B4 is considered bad and ML-20 good - ML-20 is reliable, B4 is not.
    3) PACK howi is incomparably more expensive and comes much later, it obviously will perform better-its supposed to for the extra cost and additional delay.
    4) The same way units like DSHK were good despite no one using them - its overshadowed by a different unit in a different tier.

    You account accuracy for being superior to that of damage. Well that is not entirely true. Take B4, Katusha, Panzerwerfer, Walking Stuka, Pack Howizter, 120mm SU Doctrinal Mortar. Are they all that accurate and the answer is simply No. It is still something anyone would be interesting in taking.

    All of them are VERY INACCURATE at maximum range.
    120mm is extremely inaccurate unless you place it REALLY close.
    Leig isn't.
    Walking stuka got completely different barrage mechanics, why have you even mentioned it? It doesn't use scatter values at all.

    You're grasping at straws here and hurting yourself in confusion.

    Yes, because firepower and damage counts most at the end of the day. It guarantees model kills which is what matters in winning engagements. Accuracy is useless if it does inefficiently enough damage which LEIG does on many occasions. As I said, it is only reliable enough to destroy structures (best used against UKF particularly in team games cuz of the fortifications, it is consistent in doing structure damage) but not infantry in comparison. Pack Howizter although less accurate, but when it does hit directly. Anybody's answer would simply be, go for the USF Pack Howizter instead.

    HIGH ACCURACY GUARANTEES MODEL KILLS.
    Leig got highest accuracy of ALL "mortars" in game.
    If it had more AoE, it would wipe squads in 1 shot way too often - its not meant to.

    Just like all other mortars aren't meant to, that's why they have low lethal AoE, high non lethal AoE and LOW ACCURACY.

    Learn how stats work.

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    So far you have provided a whooping ZERO of any actual, stat based evidence or comparisons.
    You just run off of "feels", which invalidates all of your arguments by default.

    Use stats or drop the discussion you're clearly not understanding well.

  • #24
    1 month ago
    Balanced_GamerBalanced_… Posts: 186

    @Katitof said:

    All of them are VERY INACCURATE at maximum range.
    120mm is extremely inaccurate unless you place it REALLY close.
    Leig isn't.
    Walking stuka got completely different barrage mechanics, why have you even mentioned it? It doesn't use scatter values at all.

    You're grasping at straws here and hurting yourself in confusion.

    Yes, that is exactly my point. All of them are inaccurate as I clearly stated on Paragraph 4 of comment 22. "Are they all that accurate and the answer is simply No. It is still something anyone would be interesting in taking."

    Thus I am not grasping straws and not even hurting myself with confusion.

    My point was, even tough LEIG is more accurate than others, it does not necessarily make it all any good. Another interesting fact is activating ability either smoke or barrage is slower than the USF Pack Howizter. Although the LEIG abilities timing is similar compared to other standard issue or regular mortars.

    1 USF Pack Howizter in my experiences is equivalent to the devastating firepower of 2 LEIGS. So overall, it is more cost effective to get 1 Pack Howizter, especially what results it delivers. You save yourself for quality instead.

    1 Pack Howie costing 330 Manpower (I think) and 2 Leigs costing in total 540 to match the equivalent lethality. Therefore I would go for USF Pack Howizter instead.

    You say I do not understand stats. Well that is not true because I take as well into account for how it actually performs in game. Stats is not everything if one does not see it put into action. It is like saying according to this guy, this vest is bulletproof but none actually believes until they see it. The put into a test to see the results whether it is true or false or to a certain degree. Nothing is true for certain.

    What you stated could be right but is it all accurate the information is what I am also saying. Performance of the unit in game is as well something that you also have to take into consideration!

    To also Test the units is another way of knowing better. Just saying that stats is not the only thing that anyone should only look into.

    Although it states it is 4 times more accurate. I have see even occasions that even Pack Howie hits devastatingly directly onto the unit/squad, even shots in a row. Better than 3 attempts from LEIG.It is in fact even more common if you micro the first shot by aiming then directly use the barrage ability after guarantying most often a squad wipe. Since it becomes even more accurate, that is how it function in game. It works really well with the USF Pack Howizter. Mostly against stationary units but it can be also very accurate if you know a way that can be used to its utmost potential. Tried the LEIG, not as possible. It is quite abusive at the moment the barrage ability with that combination using Pack Howizter. The time span between the shot and the ability is not 5 seconds but only a span of 2 seconds. That is devastating! ONLY WORKS WHEN MICRO.

    Thus I conclude Pack Howizter is 2-3 times better (if you account for the abusive barrage ability combination) than LEIG for its price and performance.

  • #25
    1 month ago
    C3ToothC3Tooth Posts: 395
    With Leig low scatter, it will always hit any non-moving target if the target doesnt move after its firing. This is pretty much force Riflemen/Tommy to keep moving around. Leig is powerful to non moving target, this explain why Brit afraid of Leig the most.

    USF pack has high damage, but accuracy is highly RNG. Pack is noway being used against Okw with Sturm/Volk stg/Fallchirm that just rush in close. Pack is better for Volk and Ober LMG that stand in defend.

    As said, Leig high accuracy used on Tommy/Rilfemen in cover would get hit 80% of the time. Their health will slowly-constantly drain. Pack on Sturm/Volk rush in? Good luck to find a hit. But do expecting a hit cause a whip.

    USF players just as thirst for Pack accuracy, as Okw thirst for Leig damage. I believe if swap Pack and Leig stat, it would fit better for both side.
  • #26
    1 month ago
    Balanced_GamerBalanced_… Posts: 186

    @C3Tooth said:
    With Leig low scatter, it will always hit any non-moving target if the target doesnt move after its firing. This is pretty much force Riflemen/Tommy to keep moving around. Leig is powerful to non moving target, this explain why Brit afraid of Leig the most.

    USF pack has high damage, but accuracy is highly RNG. Pack is noway being used against Okw with Sturm/Volk stg/Fallchirm that just rush in close. Pack is better for Volk and Ober LMG that stand in defend.

    As said, Leig high accuracy used on Tommy/Rilfemen in cover would get hit 80% of the time. Their health will slowly-constantly drain. Pack on Sturm/Volk rush in? Good luck to find a hit. But do expecting a hit cause a whip.

    USF players just as thirst for Pack accuracy, as Okw thirst for Leig damage. I believe if swap Pack and Leig stat, it would fit better for both side.

    True, LEIG is only good to non moving targets otherwise it would be ineffective.

    As I had stated, LEIG is very consistent in dealing with structures particularly the Brits/UKF fortifications. That is when LEIG does great at but infantry in retrospect, not as good as others. Others are often better.

    1v1, yes, it is challenging for USF to use Pack Howizter but getting 1 of them is not as a difficult a challenge as getting 2 LEIGS. To match Howizters firepower.

    Particularly in team games. Pack Howizter is often the Highlight since it is overall much more devastating. The fact it also can damage light vehicles pretty badly and medium tanks to a certain extent is an interesting mechanic. I personally think that Pack Howizter is the best mortar for being a mini arty in game. Still packs a punch!

    I know it sounds ridiculous (saying this out of context) by saying this but I bet and believe that trading Walking Stuka for USF Pack Howizter is something I personally would not mind. Since I prefer Pack Howizter over Walking Stuka since its is much more effective in comparison.

  • #27
    1 month ago
    thedarkarmadillothedarkar… Posts: 5,806
    Some units simply excel in team games... I e seen the b4 is far more team games than 1s or 2s.

    Something nobody seems to be pointing out here is that the pak howi has a micro tax to get the most out of it while the LEIG has tremendous autofire potential.
    Both are unique units and can't be directly compared because they both have different approaches to the same problem.

    Also, worth mentioning. The pak howi cannot be parked between a schwere and a med truck to ensure micro free domination of the indirect fire scene.
    The leigs tight radius also allows it to be very strong against COUNTERING enemy indirect fire.

    They got their niches and since neither faction lives or does by the weapon team that's absolutely OK.
  • #28
    1 month ago
    C3ToothC3Tooth Posts: 395
    edited June 12
    Every indirect team weapon is good with non-moving target, except Leig is great at it. (Talk about the rate of hitting target) Did you mean Pack is good with moving target or what?

    You prefer Pack over Leig and stuka? Do you prefer to have Pack without having MGs?
  • #29
    1 month ago
    KatitofKatitof Posts: 6,595

    @C3Tooth said:
    Every indirect team weapon is good with non-moving target, except Leig is great at it. (Talk about the rate of hitting target) Did you mean Pack is good with moving target or what?

    You prefer Pack over Leig and stuka? Do you prefer to have Pack without having MGs?

    He means you have to use barrage on PACK howi constantly, which means manual target selection for most effect, autofire is ok-ish, but barrage is where its at.

  • #30
    1 month ago
    C3ToothC3Tooth Posts: 395
    There is an image I put up here month ago.

    Leig auto fire cone is x2 larger than Pack.
    Leig manual fire is x4 accuracy than Pack.
    Leig price is 75% of Pack
    Pack has better manual range and higher damage.

    So yes, Pack is much harder to use. I dont know what else you complain? Should Leig has better damage & manual range than Pack to fulfill your need to win? There must be cons and pros for each unit.

    Believe me, I prefer to get a Paratroop 380mp to whip your troop than to get a Pack 340mp.
  • #31
    1 month ago
    C3ToothC3Tooth Posts: 395
    I didnt see Darka comment up there. He plays both side, so his point of view is more fair than mine. Go take it.
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