[PREVIEW] Coral Viper Hot Fix Balance Changes

There one missing big nerd for indirect dak Lieg 18 and half track mortar, you have a nerf Indian mortar so nerf Lieg why a faction can have a doctrinal unit power in her base roster for 275, you have you Nerf it, even to replace for a basic mortar and move the lieg for futur battelgroup

Looks good! 

I agree with all the changes so far. Is there any chance there could be a small nerf to the funkwagen? The ability to camoflage Flak 36 cannons, Tigers, Med trucks is kind of broken. You can really abuse that ability late game.

USF - A little in the right direction, but I would like to see some the infrantry support centre upgrade fuel reduced. It really shouldn't be this or armour decision. I think they were under utlised in the first place.

I would also like to see the hellcat get a little more buff, i.e reverting some of the changes for 1.6

The grens will still be oppressive so a minor munitons cost, may not change the meta.

Why is there no mention of the DAK BG invisibiluty cloak? It's over performing for it's cost and impact on the game.

When are the Rangers going to be adjusted? They still are both glass cannons but with tremendous survivability.

Revert the CoH2 snare change you snuck in and this looks very feasible

Officer Quarters nerf looks overboard. Grenadiers themselves need hit harder, probably removing the ability to heal on the move. I would increase Vet requirements on Grens the same way Humber Vet requirements were increased. And I would revert some of the Humber Vet nerfs directly because of Snare buffs. It should be more possible to get a Humber to Vet 3 as counterplay to Snare buffs.

Please nerf Funkwagon, idk how.

Also. Please consider adding a munition requirement to Kettenkrad Recon Mode. Kettenkrad transitions too easily from capper to primary vision for your weapons teams.

Good changes. The only big thing missing is the camo being given to everything with no cost.

These look like steps in the right direction. It would be great if you could keep up evaluating the impact of the changes of 1.6.1 and then do another round of small rebalancing adjustments if necessary, we'll only know if you got things right after playing after all.

I think the officer quarters upgrade cost is a little too high.  Also, mobile camo units with the DAK is kind of busted and needs to be addressed. All of the other changes look good!

Grimauldus wrote:

Good changes, I was going to suggest either buffing the aussies or lowering their cost. (I could also suggest a lowering of the cost even with the buff, they are 300 compared to 260 of the Infantry section but perform worse in most aspects). I would strongly suggest reworking or looking at the stealth aspect of the new DAK commander. Instead of a permanent shield I would suggest a 'trigger' from the funkpanzer that provides stealth for a limited time, allowing you to push with it as it is being used this way now. But it will only last say, 5-10 seconds. And has a lengthy CD to allow for counter play. I also don't think stealthed tanks is a good a thing and would suggest this perk is reworked entirely. Tanks are too important to the game, and rolling up next to your front line without being seen is just too silly a concept. I would keep the camo to infantry only imo.

Even if you disagree I would suggest strongly that you look at the battlegroup as a whole, as you can probably see the community feels largely the same as I do. I think the concept of it is quite fun and cool, and things such as the siphon etc are unique and balanced well.

Agreed with your points

All changes are fair and good.. But if u buff the bofor u need to do the same for the flak 30 of the luftwaffe as a counterpart... And make the flak 36 variants have vehicles only buttom... It get distracted too much by  air planes

USF Tank Depot could do with a cost reduction, to match the discounts that the other factions have recently gotten. (Particularly since both bulldozer and hellcats have been nerfed)

Not sure the increase from 25 to 40 fuel is a healthy idea for the Officers quarters. I think you risk just making it a no go instead entirely and also kill off any potential non-grenadier strategies with say Luftwaffe or Coastal battlegroup. I'd probably say 35 fuel instead.

Also when it comes to the Grenadiers, i believe general consensus amongst higher ranked players is to remove the Panzerfaust range buff at veterancy 1. As that's rather what giving players a bit of a headache is how quickly they can get that extra range and shut down light vehicle play a bit *too* easily. So it might be worth it to tone that down instead of the extra fuel or remove it entirely. Though having said that, part of me does like not having to worry about light vehicles pulling tank duty too easily. Which was obv. the intent to buffing the Panzerfaust in the first place, since wehrmacht otherwise heavily struggles against light vehicles.

Also when it comes to the Australian Light Infantry. I am not sure that buffing them that way is a good idea. Simply put because once they get to veterancy 3.. They have insane performance basically performing like Pathfinders or Jaeger Light Infantry out of Coh2.. on Steroids. So i think if you want to buff them like that, the lategame needs to be severely toned down. Another way would simply be to make the Scoped lee enfield upgrade a bit cheaper or more useful for its cost. But no matter how you buff them, i'd definitely look into their lategame performance as right now i do think it's borderline abusive and will become a big problem if buffs are applied as is.

Also looking into the Detection of cloaked units might be an idea as it's a bit wonky from what i hear. Plus it might be worth it to make sure that the 250/3 funkwagen can't camoflage stuff like ambulances. It's definitely a bit borderline abusive at the moment. I'd probably limit to infantry.

Also, we still do need a nerf on panzerfaust range on grens. This buff combined with the improved reliability of snares in general has made wehr snares a bit silly.

Panzerfausts already have longer range and faster activation times than other snares do. The +5 range at Gren vet1 and +5 at vet3 are excessive. 27 range snares is just silly.

Your proposals seem very good ! However, some units are starting to underperform, like the Hellcat, which is not good enough as a tank hunter. 

In addition, the permanent camouflage of the dak also poses some problems and should be nerfed.

Finally, the kettenkrad still gives too much vision and its ability to be in camouflage and then move around making it almost invincible to at guns makes the unit too strong.

Finally, the most IMPORTANT point: it's imperative to nerf the indirect dak, the Leig is too easy to spam (275 mp call-in when its base price is 320mp) not to mention its far too high effectiveness, which literally destroys allied infantry. Not counting the numerous 250 mortars, it is therefore necessary to quickly nerf the Leig and/or the 250 mortar of the dak for a correct balance. Thanks to all of you !

bofor need suppress and armor