From my first round i got some "fresh" impressions.

First. Thx for the alpha. Great fun!

For the feedback after the first round:

- Flamethrowers: For me i think flamethrowers are too dominant and too strong. Perhaps this was done for the mission but it is a bit hilarious how easy it is to decrew weapons and wipe units with a flamer in no time. For that reason the italian L6/40 tankette feels useless because its Breda 2cm cant deal such an amount of damage compared to the Flamer of the Panzer III.

And with the flamer upgrade the L6/40 isnt much better because the Flammenpanzer III has more HP, more armor and feels better. So perhaps it could be worth to reduce the flamer damage and boost the small machine gun damage of a ~2cm autocanon. 

Historical note - because i have to ask xD

- Why Flammenpanzer III in Africa. U have seen pictures of a Flammenpanzer II Flamingo and u though u need a flamer tank in africa? And a Flammenpanzer III without turret box and without spaced front armor feels wrong and looks wrong. That is just a small hint but i think u just put the flamer barrel on the "basic CoH3 Panzer III" without adding the real Flammenpanzer III i think.

Agree with above. The flamethrowers are just insanely OP at the moment. Driving around the flamethrower tanks just have no counter-play since they can easily drive around anything and rotate the flamethrower 360 degrees. The Stug ability you'd assume is a long-range barrage like most tanks of its class but instead it has a point-blank shot? Very counter-intuitive and for what purpose? I wish we were given more insight into the DAK tech tree and how their other units perform. Seems to be a Battlegroup system like COH2 Wehrmacht? 

The mainline infantry of Panzergrenadiers just seem really strong as if COH2 grenadiers were melded with Panzergrenadiers, and this is really cool but what keeps their strength in check? How does it scale? Certain abilities or buffs should be kept behind Battlephases at least. Otherwise, these units also verge on OP territory due to dominating strength in every situation for every single need. The Italian units are fun but also seem like an ace at everything, like if you took COH2 Penal Squads and combined them with engineers. Really really strong and the flamethrower only makes them stronger. Giving them smoke is kinda busted since that removes their one weakness to long-range units. Also removes the need for Panzerpioneer/engineer squads it seems. 

The LEIG is insane. Range is akin to a short range howitzer instead of a mortar. The damage I'm not sure about but the range is maybe a bit OP. 

All the call-ins are fun but literally impossible to tell how many Command Points we need to unlock them during the Alpha Mission. Maybe an icon badge (styled like app-notifications)? I assume we cannot click to see more abilities or the tree since it hasn't been fully worked yet, but it was a bit confusing. 

I think the biggest issue boils down to how DAK infantry units are very few "types" and doesn't promote a ton of combined unit gameplay. Panzergrenadiers can nearly do it all while engineers are nearly unrequired since all the units can repair. Assault Grenadiers are fun and nice for breaching but offer such little utility compared to the do-it-all Pgrens, and since they come later its hard to justify buying them.

LordRommel wrote:

From my first round i got some "fresh" impressions.

First. Thx for the alpha. Great fun!

For the feedback after the first round:

- Flamethrowers: For me i think flamethrowers are too dominant and too strong. Perhaps this was done for the mission but it is a bit hilarious how easy it is to decrew weapons and wipe units with a flamer in no time. For that reason the italian L6/40 tankette feels useless because its Breda 2cm cant deal such an amount of damage compared to the Flamer of the Panzer III.

And with the flamer upgrade the L6/40 isnt much better because the Flammenpanzer III has more HP, more armor and feels better. So perhaps it could be worth to reduce the flamer damage and boost the small machine gun damage of a ~2cm autocanon. 

Historical note - because i have to ask xD

- Why Flammenpanzer III in Africa. U have seen pictures of a Flammenpanzer II Flamingo and u though u need a flamer tank in africa? And a Flammenpanzer III without turret box and without spaced front armor feels wrong and looks wrong. That is just a small hint but i think u just put the flamer barrel on the "basic CoH3 Panzer III" without adding the real Flammenpanzer III i think.

Flammenpanzer III are used in Italy since 1943. Yeah, not really in Africa, but probably not a big deal.

But you are right about the flame tank, rally op at the moment, counter any infantry units including AT guns, and is extremely strong against most British tanks, can bounce m multiple rounds and survive for minutes under constant fire.

I guess your point of Flammenpanzer II was much better, or just the L6 or even CV33 as flame tanks, because they are lightly armored, and can be easily targeted by anti-tank weapons. However, I believe the Flammenpanzer III should not be a base unit in the faction, probably more a battlegroup unit, so I guess we do not need to worry about it too much at the moment.

Personally, I felt the Foot Guards' Bazooka is too weak, it can hardly deal any damage to a medium panzer, however, they are everywhere on the battlefield. I hope their role of being an elite unit can be better represented in the game, where they are feared AT/CQC units, not just a cannon folder unit with really nerfed Bazooka.

Blackout wrote:

Agree with above. The flamethrowers are just insanely OP at the moment. Driving around the flamethrower tanks just have no counter-play since they can easily drive around anything and rotate the flamethrower 360 degrees. The Stug ability you'd assume is a long-range barrage like most tanks of its class but instead it has a point-blank shot? Very counter-intuitive and for what purpose? I wish we were given more insight into the DAK tech tree and how their other units perform. Seems to be a Battlegroup system like COH2 Wehrmacht? 

The mainline infantry of Panzergrenadiers just seem really strong as if COH2 grenadiers were melded with Panzergrenadiers, and this is really cool but what keeps their strength in check? How does it scale? Certain abilities or buffs should be kept behind Battlephases at least. Otherwise, these units also verge on OP territory due to dominating strength in every situation for every single need. The Italian units are fun but also seem like an ace at everything, like if you took COH2 Penal Squads and combined them with engineers. Really really strong and the flamethrower only makes them stronger. Giving them smoke is kinda busted since that removes their one weakness to long-range units. Also removes the need for Panzerpioneer/engineer squads it seems. 

The LEIG is insane. Range is akin to a short range howitzer instead of a mortar. The damage I'm not sure about but the range is maybe a bit OP. 

All the call-ins are fun but literally impossible to tell how many Command Points we need to unlock them during the Alpha Mission. Maybe an icon badge (styled like app-notifications)? I assume we cannot click to see more abilities or the tree since it hasn't been fully worked yet, but it was a bit confusing. 

I think the biggest issue boils down to how DAK infantry units are very few "types" and doesn't promote a ton of combined unit gameplay. Panzergrenadiers can nearly do it all while engineers are nearly unrequired since all the units can repair. Assault Grenadiers are fun and nice for breaching but offer such little utility compared to the do-it-all Pgrens, and since they come later its hard to justify buying them.

I believe they buffed most indirect fire units in the game? The British 25 pdr, 5.5 inch gun, and US 75mm half-track seemed to have pretty far range. I believe it is not a bad thing, considering the laughable range in COH2, this seems more legit.

ok for me i think is beautiful but wee need to add more Imersive audio , exemple :

1 = German speak German and Italian speak italian . 

2 = When you capture a static weapon ennemy the portrait is the original Army , exemple i have captured Mg static weapon with DAK and the portrais is British . 

3 = The sound is broken or bugged , The tank and vehiculs is realy low or complitly bugged , same for fire fight .

4 = Ability is realy not cool . I prefer the generals system .is better for the slogan " Chaque bataille raconte une histoire"  Is my opinion of course :) 

5 = Can you tell more for the Cosmetic Infantry and tank system . Is possibel to win Cosmetic in Multiplayer or Not . Or is a store for buy Cosmetic or again is little DLC for add more Cosmetic . I Love Cosmetic ;) 

6 = The camera is old system . Wee need to add more control for the camera . "zsqd" and mose rotation 360 . 

Final : COH3 is beautiful . Siriously Good jobs . i am contant creator on Coh 2 / Map , Camo and more . I realy want to see the same system for the creation in coh 3 . Generals , camouflage , Ability and more ... the system for win camo tank and infantry and generals is Multiplayer is the Best option form . i  realy don't like the battle Group system . Wee need to add more personalisation of army player . For add surprise in the battle . When i use the my favorit commander in coh 2 the other player d'ont know my strategy and the battle is realy cool . Now with battle group system all battle is same . You can not surprise your ennemy . 

Is my opinion . Thx Relic for the cool experience . 

As a German the Nürburgring line gave me a genuine smile on my face. Very awesome :D

The game seems even better optimized now, runs smooth even on 4k, I ignored recommendations to play at 1080p, as well as warnings on launch that I don't have enough memory although I have 32GB of RAM.... But, I also have like 200 tabs opened in Edge, so maybe that's the reason? But still, I have like half of my RAM free....

I'm glad to finally see infantry riding tanks, recovery vehicles making a comeback, weapons towing, and Panzer 3 (distant Dane's cry of joy).

Some thoughts about DAK:

1. Panzergrenadiers, while strong, lose models entirely too quickly. I feel like there should be a little more HP loss before a model dies. 
2. Panzer III turret rotation seems a tad fast. Not sure if it's meant to be accurate to the real thing, but it's ability to acquire a target is much much faster than comparable tanks in COH 2 or
3. Mobility felt really good with the armor. I still dislike the engine's AI when it comes to reversing, though. I think it uses a combination of range and a cone behind the unit, ie there's a 40 degree arc and a 20 meter range where it'll reverse. Personally I feel like if I click directly behind a tank but 30-40 meters behind, it should still know to reverse without me needing to use the reverse order. 
4. Salvaging/restoring vehicles is a little ambiguous. I couldn't find a way to salvage a wreck with either my engineers nor my recovery vehicle. Not sure if it was just blocked in the tutorial. For recovery, I strongly recommend including a pop cap red flash in the UI and/or a voice prompt if you're pop capped. Currently the recovery vehicle will start and immediately stop the recovery with no message as to why. 
5. I like the auto-reinforce feature added in COH3 for the HQ and ambo. However I noticed that if multiple injured units are in proximity, it only auto-reinforces 1 unit at a time. It should, IMO, queue up a model to reinforce per unit in its vicinity. 
6. Wasn't sure what the yellow outlined white circle was above my panzergrenadiers' heads. Was there all game. Icon looked like an explosion with a + sign. 
7. Maybe more of a UI thing, but upgrade progress being suddenly in between the unit card and action card was really bizarre. Just make the icon which prompts the upgrade have a yellow indicator of progress. 
8. Costs next to commander abilities would be nice. They're small icons as is, and hovering over them felt annoying. 

Overall really great feeling faction. A little more infantry variety will be welcome, but I imagine it's limited given that it's Mission Alpha.

So it's only been a day but here are my current thoughts on DAK. This is of course not a complete review because many units and entire buildings aren't available but it is what we have available.

Infantry: Overall I feel like this infantry is quite bland and boring. It took me a while to pin down why but I believe the reason is because this roster feels almost point for point with the coh2 Ostheer roster. It's a engineer unit, a long range mainline with an MG upgrade, and an expensive but potent CQC squad. The units have some unique things but the core of the infantry feels like it isn't bringing anything new to the table.
For comparision the Wehrmacht also has several infantry that have parellels in coh2 but I think distinctly they come from several factions and when combined offer a unique experience. Grenadiers are like conscripts, Panzergrenadiers are well panzergrenadiers from Ostheer, stosstrupp are similar to Obers. It take elements from several places and combines them to feel like it stands out. The DAK doesn't do this and as such it's infantry feel like a rehash of Ostheer but in North Africa.
If I were to give out ideas maybe these infantry could somehow be vet locked? So like imagine the Panzergrenadier could choose between a weaker MG15 that is available right away or it could wait until reaching vet 2 to get the more powerful MG34 and you could only get one of the other. I know this has a lot of implications but would create some interesting decisions where you choose between the immediately available but weaker power spike or waiting to reach a much stronger power spike later down the road. Just an idea but would make these units feel more interesting without needing to rework them entirely.
I should mention however that I extremely like the ability of infantry to ride tanks. This is not only incredibly cool but also is actually really nice in terms of allowing aggressive plays by like diving with a tank and infantry to shut down enemy AT guns and machine guns.

Support Weapons: Overall I don't have many issues with the current line up. It checks the boxes of Machine Gun, AT Gun, and indirect light artillery piece which is the baseline every faction needs. On top of this I must praise the ability for vehicles to tow these weapons. Really cool to see but I also really like the play this can allow for with quickly moving team weapons to the front or to crucial positions. The Flak 88 is really cool because it's very hard hitting but can't move without being towed which is more realistic than a couple guys pushing it while also being much better designed then the non moving emplacements. I honestly think this design would be the best way to do heavy weapons because it makes them not instantly useless once an enemy gets indirect fire.

Vehicles: We are definitely not seeing what is meant to be the strength of the faction so I can't say to much here. For what we can try out the Panzer III does seem like a solid medium tank and I expect it to likely be weaker than the other medium tanks but cheaper overall. I hope we see the side armor to be a big thing for this faction. Relying on speed to flank and trade up against heavier tanks through attacks in the weaker side armor. I think the biggest thing that has me worried is that Tiger tank. I hope to god this is limited to 1 tank at a time so it can't be stacked like the Panthers from coh2.

Tech and other elements: We pretty much don't have anything here outside of the forward medical tent that can be built on points. I think it fits well with the theme of aggressive plays and I hope the tech is interesting and not just like straightforward with limited side techs.

I like the DAK overall and see some interesting ideas but we don't have the full picture so I hope there are things we aren't seeing that makes the faction unique and interesting. Right now it's well rounded but only has a couple things that stand out right now. If there isn't some big unique part of the faction (such as a interesting tech path, side tech options, or something like the field marshals in Wehrmacht) then I think something needs to be done to implement something new and interesting to the faction as otherwise it will end up to bland.

a few things besides the above mentioned =

1) why do the desert berbers sound and look indian rather than arab?? ya talked about cultural authenticity but you literally put indians EVERYWHERE who sound and look nothing like arabs instead of actual arabs.

2) the optimization is still horrible, only sometimes after setting the settings to 60 and 1080p did the game run at 60 fps constant, i tried relaunching the game several times with the exact same seettings and only like 3 times out of 9 did i get the appropriate smooth gameplay i was supposed to get.

3) the depth of field and Anti aliasing in the game is horrible, it makes everything blurred so iam forced to play with AA off.

THE COMMUNITY WOULD GENERALLY PREFER A DELAY RATHER THAN ANOTHER CYBERPUNK, FIX YOUR GAME.

There seems to be a mix up in nationalities as some of the Axis were speaking with American accents.

Yes please have Germans speak German

And yes flamethrower tank is op!!!

If the game is going to be localized in German, Italian, and British languages...please provide an option to have every faction speak their own languages in the same game. This was discussed about last year and means a lot to many players.

Seriously. Sometimes I wonder if 90% of all feedback falls to deaf ears.

My biggest gripe so far is the range of the flamethrower Pz III, it is the same as the normal Pz III

I might add more to the post, but there is so much and the game doesn't feel good, don't know if i invest alot of time in this alpha, since alot of feedback from previous rounds got ignored anyway.

The mg on the Flammeenpanzer dosent work. Also the whole Flameenpanzer is kinde of too Op. It kills enemy in bulding in like 20 sek wich makes putting troops kinde of ussles.